Are you still a Lib Dem councillor?
Why the lib-dems are shit
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butchersapron
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Failed would be councillor.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Didn't quite? What, like he applied, but his grades determined entry only into a 'red-brick' provincial seat of learning?
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
steeplejack
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steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
...Tim Farron
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
...I mean, Tim Farron
his prescription seems to be a return to the dogshit politics of the 1980s. Someone somewhere is probably planting a forest now part of which you will be recycling as an unread FOCUS leaflet in ten years time. Expect an assembly line of "bumptious uppity little turd" by election candidates to be whirring into action, too.
Two problems though:
1. what worked in the 1980s won't work 35 years later. It's like England suffering a really bad World Cup campaign and responding by appointing either Graham Taylor or Howard Wilkinson as manager. The Lib Dems don't have the people on the ground to deliver 1980s by election-style camapigns, and it's not clear they will work anyway. In an era where mass membership parties seem to be dying, how will a campaigning method based on mass membership work?
2. Public religious affiliation goes down atrociously in UK politics, and Farron is an out-and-proud evangelical oddball.
Moreover, Farron looks like a cartoon character from a supermarket own-brand cereal-box, grown up. He's just so weird. The papers will chew him up within 18 months.
with 8 MPs, way down the list of questioners at PMQs, Farron will need to announce something radical or take a shit in the aisle for anyone to take any notice. Maybe he should get Oaten back after all.
his prescription seems to be a return to the dogshit politics of the 1980s. Someone somewhere is probably planting a forest now part of which you will be recycling as an unread FOCUS leaflet in ten years time. Expect an assembly line of "bumptious uppity little turd" by election candidates to be whirring into action, too.
Two problems though:
1. what worked in the 1980s won't work 35 years later. It's like England suffering a really bad World Cup campaign and responding by appointing either Graham Taylor or Howard Wilkinson as manager. The Lib Dems don't have the people on the ground to deliver 1980s by election-style camapigns, and it's not clear they will work anyway. In an era where mass membership parties seem to be dying, how will a campaigning method based on mass membership work?
2. Public religious affiliation goes down atrociously in UK politics, and Farron is an out-and-proud evangelical oddball.
Moreover, Farron looks like a cartoon character from a supermarket own-brand cereal-box, grown up. He's just so weird. The papers will chew him up within 18 months.
with 8 MPs, way down the list of questioners at PMQs, Farron will need to announce something radical or take a shit in the aisle for anyone to take any notice. Maybe he should get Oaten back after all.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
All probably true, but the membership had a choice between the 2 main factions within their party, and they rejected the 'Orange' candidate of economic liberalism and the coalition. That leaves them with the Beveridge group, Xian nutjob in charge of a small group of market fundie MPs (who all probably hate him)....I mean, Tim Farron
his prescription seems to be a return to the dogshit politics of the 1980s. Someone somewhere is probably planting a forest now part of which you will be recycling as an unread FOCUS leaflet in ten years time. Expect an assembly line of "bumptious uppity little turd" by election candidates to be whirring into action, too.
Two problems though:
1. what worked in the 1980s won't work 35 years later. It's like England suffering a really bad World Cup campaign and responding by appointing either Graham Taylor or Howard Wilkinson as manager. The Lib Dems don't have the people on the ground to deliver 1980s by election-style camapigns, and it's not clear they will work anyway. In an era where mass membership parties seem to be dying, how will a campaigning method based on mass membership work?
2. Public religious affiliation goes down atrociously in UK politics, and Farron is an out-and-proud evangelical oddball.
Moreover, Farron looks like a cartoon character from a supermarket own-brand cereal-box, grown up. He's just so weird. The papers will chew him up within 18 months.
with 8 MPs, way down the list of questioners at PMQs, Farron will need to announce something radical or take a shit in the aisle for anyone to take any notice. Maybe he should get Oaten back after all.
I don't think the public will warm to Farron's particularly irritating, sanctimonious mealy-mouthed clap-trap about liberalism. As of now I'd say he's got the potential to oversee a significant reduction in their representation at the next GE...if he's still there.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Here's hoping! If he drives the Lib Dems to a final grave, then at least he has the religious faith in a political afterlife to cling on to.
Not failed Butcheraspron.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh you finally became a Councillor then?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Did you vote for tim btw?
I think Tim Farron is an excellent public speaker who is capable of motivating and moving people who listen to him. The problem will rather be how much media coverage can he or the party attract since the nationalist SNP are now the third largest party in Westminster. I'm not a Christian but I don't have an issue with a Christian leading the party so long as they are a Liberal, and Tim clearly is. Religious tolerance is part of liberalism after all. He also is a shift back towards a more social liberal interpretation of liberalism rather than the orange book economic liberal. One of his priorities is going to be social housing for example.
The key will be fighting back in local Council elections, since May the Lib Dems have had 3 holds and 4 gains in by-elections. There have also been thousands and thousands of new members. Since May my own local party has gone from something like 130 members to 190 members. If the party is able to reach out to those people and engage them in a model of community politics then there is a chance to re-build the local government base of the party.
I think it will be easier to win in local elections when the part is not in government. Since 2010 I heard ton's of people say we like what you all do locally but not Nick Clegg in government. After a period of being out of government, and with Clegg gone people will be a lot more willing to vote for the party locally.
Much as it may pain some posters on this board I don't think the Lib Dems are dead in the water.
The key will be fighting back in local Council elections, since May the Lib Dems have had 3 holds and 4 gains in by-elections. There have also been thousands and thousands of new members. Since May my own local party has gone from something like 130 members to 190 members. If the party is able to reach out to those people and engage them in a model of community politics then there is a chance to re-build the local government base of the party.
I think it will be easier to win in local elections when the part is not in government. Since 2010 I heard ton's of people say we like what you all do locally but not Nick Clegg in government. After a period of being out of government, and with Clegg gone people will be a lot more willing to vote for the party locally.
Much as it may pain some posters on this board I don't think the Lib Dems are dead in the water.
Yea I did. Some of Lamb's campaigning for instance on legalising of cannabis appealed to me but I just don't think Lamb was as good a communicator. Also as a government minister I felt he was too tainted by some of the mistakes the party made in coalition.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It pains us not.
I was a parish Councillor for a few years. Then got elected to a borough council and re-elected this year. It wasn't very easy getting elected as a Lib Dem in May 2015 I can tell you that, but I had a decent enough local record to hold on.
butchersapron
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Are you a Councillor or not?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No you didn't.
butchersapron
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He's a gurning fundamentalist. It's game over.
No he said as a Christian he believes everyone lives in sin and that you shouldn't judge others.
butchersapron
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As he judges everyone. I wonder why he didn't abstain on all those votes on liberalisation of various social issues then.
butchersapron
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I'm going to restrict your rights and ghetto-ise you, make sure you have less civil rights than other people, but rest assured, i'm not judging you.
butchersapron
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He's wrong. And a smug cunt for arguing such self-serving nonsense. And a liar for not saying what he really thinks.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
q) Do you think murder is wrong?
a) Everyone does wrong things.
Lib-dems.
a) Everyone does wrong things.
Lib-dems.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
So he avoided a direct answer, and tried to mealy mouth his way out of it. Scum.
"the Bible is clear about sexuality of all sorts”
Bigot.
He voted for gay marriage in the second reading and supports it. He's also campaigned for LGBT+ issues within the party, and I know a number of LGBT+ Lib Dems who have been part of Tim's campaign and are very supportive of him.
As he has said
“It is important to be very, very clear that I voted for the legalisation of equal marriage and support it, and will fight very hard against any attempts to water it down – which there might be.”
He added: “Put simply, there were a couple of amendments that were about the protection of essentially religious minorities, conscience protections, and I kind of voted for those. Me doing something like that, which is about protecting people’s right to conscience, I definitely regret it, if people have misread that and think that means I’m lukewarm on equal marriage.” Asked if he would take the same decision again, he said: “No, I would vote for equal marriage.”
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