Why the lib-dems are shit

[youngian]

I'm less concerned about second guessing whether they are on the make but what it says about their judgement and ideology.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm less concerned about second guessing whether they are on the make but what it says about their judgement and ideology.

...and given that (going by the Register of Member Interests) about three quarters of them are on the make in some form or other, we can be fairly certain that their ideology is "fuck you, Jack. I'm alright!", and that their judgement is flexible.

 

[stethoscope]

Straight to the point from yesterday's Morning Star...

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-94b0-Nick-Clegg-exposed-yet-again-as-a-hypocrite

Deputy PM descends into union-bashing rant as Lib Dem donor proposes to axe 134 jobs at Nottingham factory

Nick Clegg descended into a union-bashing diatribe yesterday after MPs confronted him about a swathe of job losses planned by one of the bosses bankrolling his re-election bid.

Autofill Yarns managing director Anthony Ullmann has pledged £34,500 to help the troubled Lib Dem leader cling on to his Sheffield Hallam seat.

But filling in at Prime Minister’s Questions for David Cameron yesterday, Mr Clegg shrugged off worries that the Nottingham firm plans to throw 134 people out of work by moving production to Bulgaria.

Mr Clegg visited the factory last month, warning the workers that exiting the EU would put British jobs at risk.

But when Labour MP Andrew Gwynne pointed out that Mr Clegg’s boss pal was threatening British jobs, the Tory stooge reverted to anti-union ranting.

The Deputy PM blustered: “I’m very, very surprised by his line of questioning given that the Labour Party is entirely bankrolled by the puppet masters of the trade unions.

“For all I know that question might have been written for him by his trade union bosses.”

Asked by the Star later whether Mr Clegg’s response was influenced by the donation, a government spokesman insisted: “The response he gave was the response he would have given regardless of what company it was or any donation.”

But Mr Gwynne told the Star: “Nick Clegg ducked a question about a major Lib Dem donor who is overseeing redundancies and people will expect answers.”

The Lib Dem leader feebly tried to turn the question on Mr Gwynne, asking “surely he would agree that it’s time we clean up party funding once and for all?”

TUC Midlands regional secretary Lee Barron pointed out though that union donations are “the most transparent form of political funding that exists.”

And Mr Barron said Autofill workers worrying for their futures would be appalled by Mr Clegg’s answer.

“He’s used trade unions as a political football as a way to avoid answering a question about UK jobs that could be sent overseas,” he said.

“These are people’s jobs and livelihoods at stake.

“That’s bad enough usually but especially worrying for them at this time of year.”

Mr Clegg was also given a torrid time by Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman, who blasted Lib Dem support for the coalition’s attacks on women.

She told him that policies he helped implement had overwhelmingly hit women, especially in the workplace.

The introduction of tribunal fees has triggered a 90 per cent fall in the number of sex discrimination cases brought, Ms Harman said.

“He talks the talk but he walks through the lobby with the Tories.

“He briefs against them but he always votes with them. He complains about the Autumn Statement but he always signs it off.

“That’s why people will never trust him or his party ever again.”

 

[Imagine]

This afternoon the Yellow Tories voted to keep the bedroom tax.

The vote to abolish the tax was defeated by 32 votes. 36 LibDems voted against abolition:

Baker, rh Norman
Beith, rh Sir Alan
Brake, rh Tom
Browne, Mr Jeremy
Bruce, rh Sir Malcolm
Burt, Lorely
Campbell, rh Sir Menzies
Davey, rh Mr Edward
Farron, Tim
Featherstone, rh Lynne
Foster, rh Mr Don
Gilbert, Stephen
Hames, Duncan
Hancock, Mr Mike
Heath, Mr David
Hemming, John
Horwood, Martin
Hughes, rh Simon
Hunter, Mark
Laws, rh Mr David
Leech, Mr John
Lloyd, Stephen
Moore, rh Michael
Munt, Tessa
Reid, Mr Alan
Russell, Sir Bob
Smith, Sir Robert
Stunell, rh Sir Andrew
Swinson, Jo
Thornton, Mike
Thurso, rh John
Ward, Mr David
Webb, rh Steve
Williams, Stephen
Willott, Jenny
Wright, Simon

 

[stethoscope]

Cunts.

 

[laptop]

This afternoon the Yellow Tories voted to keep the bedroom tax.

The vote to abolish the tax was defeated by 32 votes. 36 LibDems voted against abolition:

I thought Hancock, Mr Mike wasn't technically a LibDem at the moment, due to serious allegations that he's even more of a cunt than that.

 

[Imagine]

Makes his vote today even more disgusting.

 

[stethoscope]

Danny Alexander claims Tory plans will lead to ‘wilful destruction’ of services
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/23/danny-alexander-tory-tax-plans-wilful-destruction

Conservative party spending plans will lead to the “wilful destruction” of public services, Danny Alexander has claimed in the latest public coalition spat.

This is just as much your doing as the Tories, fucking muppet

 

[butchersapron]

Danny Alexander claims Tory plans will lead to ‘wilful destruction’ of services
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/23/danny-alexander-tory-tax-plans-wilful-destruction



This is just as much your doing as the Tories, fucking muppet

If only he could have not gone along with and in fact came up with some of the plans.

This is so insulting. Not only is he/they doing this but they're calling people thick fuckers whose eye wool can be pulled over. All those lost deposits shave told them nothing.

 

[Dogsauce]

Much as I'd like a really messy coalition divorce I haven't really noticed the Tories having much of a dig in the other direction, presumably it's not that useful electorally to stick the boot into the lib dems, and maybe looks like they're rising above it.

 

[butchersapron]

Much as I'd like a really messy coalition divorce I haven't really noticed the Tories having much of a dig in the other direction, presumably it's not that useful electorally to stick the boot into the lib dems, and maybe looks like they're rising above it.

It's best for them just to laugh really. Lib-dems have lowest av of polling this parliament since they started their public image of separation, and until last week, tories their best.

 

[DotCommunist]

this 'we tried to reign them in' stuff is fooling nobody if by election results and polls are any indicator

 

[butchersapron]

this 'we tried to reign them in' stuff is fooling nobody if by election results and polls are any indicator

They're pretty much sending everyone a christmas card calling people mugs.

 

[Pickman's model]

A councillor has quit as leader of a Liberal Democrat group after suggesting an alleged rape victim was too ugly to have been assaulted.
East Hampshire District Council said it was ‘appalled’ by comments made on Facebook by Cllr Philip Drury, who remains an independent councillor after resigning from his role.

http://www.localgov.co.uk/Councillor-quits-role-after-vile-comment-about-alleged-rape-victim/37883

 

[butchersapron]

Didn't have the guts to sack him - and the person they attracted, who they then felt best represented their values so was voted leader of their group didn't have enough human qualities to stand down as a councilor.

 

[Pickman's model]

this 'we tried to reign them in' stuff is fooling nobody if by election results and polls are any indicator

REIN the queen reigns, the horse has reins

 

[brogdale]

http://www.localgov.co.uk/Councillor-quits-role-after-vile-comment-about-alleged-rape-victim/37883

He was tired...

 

[DotCommunist]

‘I was excessively tired and was working nights. I had just come back from an excessive Chinese business trip. I was tired. I will remain on the council.’

great excuse

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I dunno doesn't everyone make rape jokes about real people when they're tired?

 

[DotCommunist]

REIN the queen reigns, the horse has reins

I was tired

 

[Pickman's model]

I was tired

it never rains but it pours

 

[ferrelhadley]

The Liberal Democrats have still to select their parliamentary candidates in more than half the seats up for grabs in the general election in four months’ time, leading Labour to claim that Nick Clegg’s party is in danger of forfeiting its right to present itself as a national party.

The Liberal Democrats have selected candidates in only 266 of the 631 seats British parties will contest – excluding Northern Ireland, where the party does not fight elections.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...select-candidates-half-seats-general-election

For a party that prides itself on it local operations, seem a bit short of grunts to be cannon fodder in the no hoper seats.

 

[killer b]

their local operations have been fucked for years. Since 2010, in fact...

 

[brogdale]

Apologies if this has been posted before, and for potentially causing cross-thread messiness...but...

However, I am deeply uncomfortable with the use of the phrase “Je suis Charlie”.

Charlie Hebdo was, and is, a racist, xenophobic and bigoted publication. Sometimes it attacked powerful targets like the Catholic Church but it was largely white men attacking powerless, marginalised and oppressed groups in France, especially Muslims who face horrific levels of discrimination. That’s not “satire”, it’s bullying.

None of this justifies the attack on the magazine. But nor should Charlie Hebdo be free from criticism and nor should our rush to denounce the attack lead us to condone the racism and bigotry of the magazine.

Unfortunately “Je suis Charlie” does just that. It says I am Charlie Hebdo. Imagine if something similar, god forbid, had happened to the EDL or Anjem Choudary’s group who protest the funerals of dead soldiers. Imagine if a KKK organisation in the US had been bombed. Would people really be saying, without even thinking about who they’re endorsing, “I am the EDL”, “I am Choudary” or “I am KKK”?

Not enough

 

[butchersapron]

Excellent lib-dem/swp milieu crossover. In common is overbearing liberal middle class guilt and cowardice.

 

[youngian]

Charlie Hebdo was, and is, a racist, xenophobic and bigoted publication.

Is this an unfair attack?
Anyone any ideas what this piece of 'radical secularist' satire is about?

http://www.islametinfo.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/1418433_226701860837248_576295875_n.jpg

Or are they juvenile anarchists who 'have a go at everybody' because they are so naughty
These depictions of Arabs and Jews look very similar. And very familiar if you've seen Der Sturmer cartoons
http://www.medialibre.eu/cms/wp-con...0gk88s80skw.brydu4hw7fso0k00sowcc8ko4.th.jpeg

http://francais.islammessage.com/panel/media/flash/chaliehebdo.jpg

 

[8115]

I don't really get the "they were a racist publication" argument. Yeah, well 12 people were shot dead. I just don't really see why the need to start discussing the value or otherwise of what they said. If there is a big issue with it, maybe it should have been discussed a while ago.

 

[redsquirrel]

Rape apologists

“It does read badly – particularly the appeal. I’d query how many have looked at the details rather than symbolism of rapist-footballer,” he commented. “If guilty then never a footballer again – role model argument – but on the facts of the case, probably not guilty.”

Though what else would expect from the party of Rennard etc

 

[J Ed]

Nasty lib dem article compares Charlie Hebdo to EDL and KKK

http://www.libdemvoice.org/tesvous-charlie-44129.html

Let me start by saying that the attack on Charlie Hebdo was a despicable attack on freedom of expression.

However, I am deeply uncomfortable with the use of the phrase “Je suis Charlie”.

Charlie Hebdo was, and is, a racist, xenophobic and bigoted publication. Sometimes it attacked powerful targets like the Catholic Church but it was largely white men attacking powerless, marginalised and oppressed groups in France, especially Muslims who face horrific levels of discrimination. That’s not “satire”, it’s bullying.

None of this justifies the attack on the magazine. But nor should Charlie Hebdo be free from criticism and nor should our rush to denounce the attack lead us to condone the racism and bigotry of the magazine.

Unfortunately “Je suis Charlie” does just that. It says I am Charlie Hebdo. Imagine if something similar, god forbid, had happened to the EDL or Anjem Choudary’s group who protest the funerals of dead soldiers. Imagine if a KKK organisation in the US had been bombed. Would people really be saying, without even thinking about who they’re endorsing, “I am the EDL”, “I am Choudary” or “I am KKK”?

No they wouldn’t. Yet for some reason people are happy to do this with Charlie Hebdo, just as some as people are happy to start sharing racist Charlie Hebdo cartoons for the sake of “solidarity”.

It is possible to condemn an attack on people without endorsing their viewpoints. Yet “Je suis Charlie” fails to do this. When you say that you are someone, you are endorsing them.

In the UK Muslims routinely face discrimination, being deliberately offended and demonisation. Probably less than five Muslims were involved in the Charlie Hebdo massacre – how does that make it justifiable to endorse a magazine which is part of that problem of demonisation, bigotry and deliberate offence towards Muslims? To me it doesn’t.

But if you are going to shout “Je suis Charlie” in solidarity it would be nice if you also shouted in solidarity with the mosques currently being attacked in France. For some reason very few are though.

 

[redsquirrel]

Why just use interns as free labour when you can actually charge them for references

A former aide to a Liberal Democrat peer has been condemned for charging former unpaid interns at his thinktank “£300 a go” for employment references.

Jan Mortier, who describes himself as a former consultant to Lord Garden, a one-time defence spokesman for Nick Clegg’s party, has admitted that he charges former unpaid trainees at his Civitatis International organisation for references, but denied that they had been interns, on the basis that they had been “trained directly” by him.