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Why the lib-dems are shit

Just voted down a measure to decarbonise energy generation. In other words helping green light fracking and new coal sans Carbon Capture. It will not really affect our climate, what it will mean is we are building new generating capacity that has significant risk of being obsolete long before it has recouped its capital cost and the consumers and tax payers lumped with much bigger bills to a) pay for a shrinking resource in a world where other economies have more and more cash to outbid us and b) have to pay for a much more rushed decarbonisation at higher cost and with less time to plan for the changes.

You will never get a bill and go "oh thats high because of the whig dems in '14". But we will have to increasingly bid against China, India and Turkey for Qatari gas, hope to hell our shale resources are real and not as polluting as some fear and be paying for thermal coal for energy generation in a world that is likely to be placing increasingly higher costs on carbon consumption.*

They have just shackled people in 15-30 years with a big fat assed bill in order to expediently kick the can of the UKs energy mix further down the road.

*Edited to add, thermal coal is not a hydrocarbon so does not have love lovable hydrogen atoms in its molecular structure unlike methane. The H4 in CH4 means heat is produced for 4 water molecules (H20) for each CO2 molecule when methane is burnt, this is why natural gas is so much lower in CO2 outper per unit of energy compared with coal that is just effing great lumps of C. So by tying us to thermal coal our energy production will have much more CO2 per unit than from CH4 (which we will have tobe bidding like fuckery against the new economies to buy) or wind\ nuclear\ solar etc etc.
 
Just a little reminder of the quality of their leading long term members:

Senior Lib Dem joins Hampshire Tories:

ONE of Hampshire’s leading Liberal Democrat councillors has defected to the Conservatives.

Adam Carew, pictured, a Liberal Democrat for 30 years, has described the national party as “utterly shambolic” and claims to have become disillusioned in the wake of the row over university tuition fees.

Now he has crossed the floor at Hampshire County Council, where he has been a member since 2005, and at East Hampshire District Council, where he represents Whitehill and Bordon.
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Lib Dem money woes grow as party membership hits new low

First, to the grim state of the Lib Dems. The party raised £6.02m last year but spent £6.4m resulting in a deficit of £410,951. Over the same period, its membership fell from 48,934 to 42,501, a fall of 35% since 2010 (when it stood at 65,038) and the lowest annual figure in the party's 23-year history. Based on the current rate of decline, UKIP, which now boasts more than 30,000 members, will soon supplant them as the third largest party by membership.
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Membership dues may well be down, but IIRC donations have gone up some way since entering government. This will have nothing to do with corrupt infulence of course.
 
Their total income has dropped significantly since 2010 - by over a 1/3. The same as membership has dropped.That wouldn't suggest a rise in donations.

In fact, checking the register, their total donations for
2011 = £4,131,750
2012 = £2,481,707

2010 is different because of the election (and short money for 4 months) but in the first quarter alone they received almost as much as all of last year.
 
New lib-dems life peers - this is people who have taken the lib-dem whip in the house of lords - what do we know about them - we know the second one down is a regular new statesman contributer - effectively an employee of laurie penny. I wonder how many articul8 knows?

Liberal Democrat Party
Catherine (Cathy) Mary Bakewell MBE - former leader of Somerset County Council
Rosalind (Olly) Grender MBE - former Director of Communications for Shelter; former Director of Communications for the Liberal Democrats
Christine Mary Humphreys - President of the Welsh Liberal Democrats; former Member of the National Assembly for Wales
Zahida Manzoor CBE - former Legal Services Ombudsman; former Deputy Chair of the Commission for Racial Equality
Brian Paddick - former Deputy Assistant Commissioner in the Metropolitan Police Service
James Palumbo - co-founder and chairman of Ministry of Sound Group, the international music and entertainment business
Jeremy Purvis - former Member of the Scottish Parliament for Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale
Alison Suttie - former Press Secretary to the President of the European Parliament; former Deputy Chief of Staff to Nick Clegg and Election Manager for the 2010 General Election
Rumi Verjee CBE - entrepreneur and philanthropist
Sir Ian Wrigglesworth - Liberal Democrat Treasurer; former MP for Teeside Thornaby and for Stockton South
 
butchersapron said:
we know the second one down is a regular new statesman contributer - effectively an employee of laurie penny.
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Er, no, Penny's a freelance, editor is Jason Cowley (2008–), effective proprietor is... businessman Mike Danson,who lacks a WikiPage.

butchersapron said:
Liberal Democrat Party
Catherine (Cathy) Mary Bakewell MBE - former leader of Somerset County Council
Rosalind (Olly) Grender MBE - former Director of Communications for Shelter; former Director of Communications for the Liberal Democrats
Christine Mary Humphreys - President of the Welsh Liberal Democrats; former Member of the National Assembly for Wales
Zahida Manzoor CBE - former Legal Services Ombudsman; former Deputy Chair of the Commission for Racial Equality
Brian Paddick - former Deputy Assistant Commissioner in the Metropolitan Police Service
James Palumbo - co-founder and chairman of Ministry of Sound Group, the international music and entertainment business
Jeremy Purvis - former Member of the Scottish Parliament for Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale
Alison Suttie - former Press Secretary to the President of the European Parliament; former Deputy Chief of Staff to Nick Clegg and Election Manager for the 2010 General Election
Rumi Verjee CBE - entrepreneur and philanthropist
Sir Ian Wrigglesworth - Liberal Democrat Treasurer; former MP for Teeside Thornaby and for Stockton South
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We know those in bold :)
 
It was a joke about everything being pinned on penny - and she's a salaried contributing editor. Palumbo was a tory before the last election i think, lib-dems have basically sold him a peerage for a few million quid.
 
Any civ lib voters?

Nick Clegg has endorsed the government's decision to ask the Guardian to destroy leaked secret NSA documents on the grounds that Britain would face a "serious threat to national security" if they reached the "wrong hands".

In a statement, a spokesman for the deputy prime minister gave the first official confirmation that the cabinet secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, made the request to the Guardian
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I can't find the statement anywhere.
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lembit-opik-bitten-privates-dachshund-2214312

from the goat shagging thread via Bakunin

Talking recently about his fall from grace with his former leader Mr Clegg, Lembit said: “There was one moment at the spring conference when I was going down the stairs and Nick was coming up.
"He chose to stare straight through me. Now I know what it’s like to be the Invisible Man.”
 
frogwoman said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lembit-opik-bitten-privates-dachshund-2214312

from the goat shagging thread via Bakunin

Talking recently about his fall from grace with his former leader Mr Clegg, Lembit said: “There was one moment at the spring conference when I was going down the stairs and Nick was coming up.
"He chose to stare straight through me. Now I know what it’s like to be the Invisible Man.”
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Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lembit-opik-bitten-privates-dachshund-2214312#ixzz2cuMckvqo ​
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Who said dogs are not intelligent
 
A list of libdems in the Syria vote.

Thirty-three Lib Dems voted for the government’s motion; 9 voted against; one abstained and 14 did not vote.

Alexander, Danny: For
Baker, Norman: For
Beith, Sir Alan: For
Birtwistle, Gordon: Against
Brake, Tom: For
Brooke, Annette: Did not vote
Browne, Mr Jeremy: For
Bruce, Sir Malcolm: For
Burstow, Paul : Abstained
Burt, Lorely: Did not vote
Cable, Vince: For
Campbell, Sir Menzies: For
Carmichael, Mr Alistair: For
Clegg, Mr Nick: For
Crockart, Mike: Against
Davey, Mr Edward: For
Farron, Tim: Did not vote
Featherstone, Lynne: For
Foster, Mr Don: For
George, Andrew: Against
Gilbert, Stephen: For
Hames, Duncan: For
Harvey, Nick: Did not vote
Heath, Mr David: For
Hemming, John: For
Horwood, Martin: For
Hughes, Simon: For
Hunter, Mark: Did not vote
Huppert, Dr Julian: Against
Kennedy, Charles: Did not vote
Lamb, Norman: For
Laws, Mr David: For
Leech, Mr John: For
Lloyd, Stephen: For
Moore, Michael: For
Mulholland, Greg: Did not vote
Munt, Tessa: Did not vote (illness).
Pugh, John: Did not vote
Reid, Mr Alan: For
Rogerson, Dan: Against
Russell, Sir Bob: For
Sanders, Adrian: Did not vote
Smith, Sir Robert: For
Stunell, Sir Andrew: Against
Swales, Ian: Against
Swinson, Jo: For
Teather, Sarah: Against
Thornton, Mike: For
Thurso, John: Did not vote
Webb, Steven: Did not vote
Williams, Mark: Did not vote
Williams, Roger: Against
Williams, Stephen: For
Willott, Jenny: Did not vote
Wright, Simon: For
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frogwoman said:
whats the difference between abstaining and not voting :facepalm:
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overt complicity vs passive complicity. You can tell your constituents with a straight face that you did not vote for *insert unpopular thing*. Most people will recognize that as the act of a weasel, but then its lib dems. A given in any case
 
abstention means you are eligible to vote but do not- I'm pretty sure that counts if you just overslept and missed the vote as well.
 
Abstention/not voting on this kind of question is rather extraordinary. I can imagine votes where you might abstain in a principled way - perhaps it is something you genuinely don't care about, or you think the way the debate has been framed is so wrong that the question is meaningless, or you think that it is a matter of only regional relevance and those from the affected region should decide.

But that can't apply here. Either you agree with allowing the government the option of attacking Syria or you don't. If you can't have an opinion on that, you have no place being an MP.
 
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