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Why the Green Party is shit

Spanky Longhorn said:
That ended well
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Well before their demise, they managed to do quite a lot of good stuff that the Brighton Greens could never do in a thousand years:

Liverpool was the only council to secure extra funding from a Thatcher government wedded to the principles of monetarism espoused by the likes of economists Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek, whose monetarist model was also embraced by Chile's bloodthirsty dictator Augusto Pinochet with murderous consequences for the Chilean working class.
This victory enabled the council to carry out its electoral programme, included the building of 5,000 houses, opening six new sports centres, creating 2,000 jobs and refusing to carry out £10 million worth of cuts which had been the legacy of the Liberal/Tory alliance which had ruled Liverpool for the previous 20 years, with a short interregnum of Labour rule.
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Although it looks more likely than not the Brighton Greens are going to be crushed electorally soon anyway. At least the Liverpool 47 (and their comrades in Clay Cross) stood up and managed to implement what they believe in.

emanymton said:
So completely unlike the leading lights of the Labour Party then?

Yes I know this is meant to be a why the Greens are shit thread, but glass houses and all that.
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Well, yeah. Most of the time I was being accused of "knowing jackshit" about the Labour Party on a long-defunct message board (and later on, Facebook). While the Greens may be much less than cracked up to be, he and many of his "Labour Left" chums seem really out of touch with the political reality, wedded to realpolitik until death do them part.
 
Tom A said:
Well before their demise, they managed to do quite a lot of good stuff that the Brighton Greens could never do in a thousand years:



Although it looks more likely than not the Brighton Greens are going to be crushed electorally soon anyway. At least the Liverpool 47 (and their comrades in Clay Cross) stood up and managed to implement what they believe in.
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I agree with you on this mate but I think we should probably try and avoid a Liverpool council pros and cons debate - it's one that's been gone over hundreds of times on these boards and nobody on either side of it is likely to change their minds.

I think we should say that the Greens refusing to even contemplate breaking the law to stop the cuts demonstrates the fultility and shitness of their liberal approach and shows how easy it is for powerful interests to force them to back down on the basis of capitalist realism and that it strongly suggests that they'd demonstrate similar levels of cowardice in government and would betray everything they claim to stand for the minute there was any kind of resistance to what they wanted to do from either coalition partners or monied interests - something I think most of us can agree on regardless of what side of the Liverpool debate we find ourselves on - and leave it at that.
 
SpineyNorman said:
I think we should say that the Greens refusing to even contemplate breaking the law to stop the cuts demonstrates the fultility and shitness of their liberal approach and shows how easy it is for powerful interests to force them to back down on the basis of capitalist realism and that it strongly suggests that they'd demonstrate similar levels of cowardice in government and would betray everything they claim to stand for the minute there was any kind of resistance to what they wanted to do from either coalition partners or monied interests - something I think most of us can agree on regardless of what side of the Liverpool debate we find ourselves on - and leave it at that.
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Hear, hear.
 
SpineyNorman said:
...I think we should say that the Greens refusing to even contemplate breaking the law to stop the cuts demonstrates the fultility and shitness of their liberal approach and shows how easy it is for powerful interests to force them to back down on the basis of capitalist realism and that it strongly suggests that they'd demonstrate similar levels of cowardice in government and would betray everything they claim to stand for the minute there was any kind of resistance to what they wanted to do from either coalition partners or monied interests - something I think most of us can agree on regardless of what side of the Liverpool debate we find ourselves on - and leave it at that.
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I agree with this too, but I think it probably belongs on the

Why liberal electoral politics is shit​

thread, rather than specifically on this one, if you see what I mean.
 
Let me tell you all as a man not on the left or right I just wouldn't vote for them. Never gonna happen.

The Green party will never get people like me (which is what they will need if they are to win an election).
 
butchersapron said:
The New Party. You know, the one from the 30s.
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Oh...right, that one.:D

FWIW, I literally bumped into his son the other day whist walking along High Holborn. Couteous apologies were exchanged.

Perhaps I should add that neither he, nor anyone with him, appeared to be wearing Nazi uniforms.
 
brogdale said:
So what sort of a new party could attract voters who were neither "..on the left or right"?:confused:
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A party of the radical centre, a party of action!

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andysays said:
I agree with this too, but I think it probably belongs on the

Why liberal electoral politics is shit​

thread, rather than specifically on this one, if you see what I mean.
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But since the Greens are committed to liberal electoral politics this most definitely is a reason why they're shit and therefore has a place on this thread.
 
Fix potholes that effect councillors first say Green Party Councillors

Potholes reported by councillors will be given priority for repairs under a proposed scheme.

Green party councillors at Essex County Council say better communication is needed to reduce the cost of repairing road defects and compensation.

The group has put forward a Repair in Time initiative, which would see potholes reported by county, borough or parish councillors become the most urgent.

It is suggested they are best placed to judge the seriousness of a pothole.
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brogdale said:
So what sort of a new party could attract voters who were neither "..on the left or right"?:confused:
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A radical party with the morals values of the right and the social consciousness of the left, concerned with restoring the national community's historical and spiritual links to nature and the wilderness. The organic link between the people and the land. The sort of party CharlieChaplin, Meltingpot and Falcon would be at home in.
 
SpineyNorman said:
I think we should say that the Greens refusing to even contemplate breaking the law to stop the cuts demonstrates the fultility and shitness of their liberal approach and shows how easy it is for powerful interests to force them to back down on the basis of capitalist realism and that it strongly suggests that they'd demonstrate similar levels of cowardice in government and would betray everything they claim to stand for the minute there was any kind of resistance to what they wanted to do from either coalition partners or monied interests - something I think most of us can agree on regardless of what side of the Liverpool debate we find ourselves on - and leave it at that.
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Precisely.

Has Brighton council even done anything like this?
Leeds council has come up with a novel way of sidestepping the controversial bedroom tax: reclassifying more than 800 "spare" rooms in its social homes as "non-specific rooms".
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While I would rather councils just outright reject the cuts at least it's some sort of interference (Although Leeds council are shit too of course, bin strike up there a couple of years ago).
 
As I got home from work today my neighbour was on the doorstep to tell me the bins had (at last) been collected, & ranting about Kitcat.

"If that bloke ever knocks on my door, I'll knock the fucker out!"

Such a shame Kitcat won't be leafleting on our estate :(
 
butchersapron said:
Didn't leeds greens join with the tories in a coalition?
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Yep, wanted to privatise Leeds-Bradford airport, I remember been told by a Greens supporter on here that this was a good thing.

I don't think they were in coalition at the time of the 2009 bin strikes, but I'm not sure.
 
butchersapron said:
Didn't leeds greens join with the tories in a coalition?
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Yes.

Green councillors in Leeds were even part of a coalition with the Tories from 2004 until 2006. The last time I made this point in an article about a party it was about the Lib Dems during pre-election ‘Cleggmania’. I was told their local council coalitions with the Tories were a one-off and it would never happen nationally. Yeah.
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http://leftunity.org/just-how-left-wing-is-the-green-party/
 
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