Why the Green Party is shit

[DaveCinzano]

According to a forked tongued councillor on that blog, we have just had one of the worst winters in living memory, what garbage.

They were referring to Winter 2009/10.

 

[snadge]

They were referring to Winter 2009/10.

Which was nowhere near the worst winters in living memory, winters in the 60's and 70's were savage as fuck, we have had nothing like that for the last 30 years, just because you get some snow in the South doesn't mean it's a bad winter.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Which was nowhere near the worst winters in living memory, winters in the 60's and 70's were savage as fuck, we have had nothing like that for the last 30 years, just because you get some snow in the South doesn't mean it's a bad winter.

The month was mostly unsettled, the first half being very cold with widespread snowfalls and some sharp frosts. After mid-month, temperatures rose to around normal before a return to colder conditions at month end. Overall, it was a very cold month with mean temperatures 2.5 to 3.0 °C below the 1971-2000 normal over England and Wales, and 2.0 to 2.5 °C below over most of Scotland and Northern Ireland. It was the coldest January over the UK since 1987 and equal eighth-coldest in a series from 1910.

Source: Met Office

 

[butchersapron]

Is this defend the greens blog or something?

 

[snadge]

Have you ever been snowed in DaveCinzano, 6ft drifts in the streets etc, there was none of that in 2009/10

 

[snadge]

Is this defend the greens blog or something?

seems like it, damn average statistics fooling the people etc.

 

[SpineyNorman]

This winter just gone was about the worst I can remember to be fair (in terms of temperature and length of the cold spells) and I'm in the north. But that green councilor is only saying it because further down the line he'll be suggesting that we burn the homes of poor people to lift the average temperature slightly so it doesn't really let them off IMO

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Have you ever been snowed in DaveCinzano, 6ft drifts in the streets etc, there was none of that in 2009/10

There was where I lived at the time you effete cosmopolitan

 

[snadge]

There was where I lived at the time you efete cosmopolitan

Pardon?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Pardon?

He said there was where he lived at the time you effete cosmopolitan

 

[snadge]

This winter just gone was about the worst I can remember to be fair (in terms of temperature and length of the cold spells) and I'm in the north. But that green councilor is only saying it because further down the line he'll be suggesting that we burn the homes of poor people to lift the average temperature slightly so it doesn't really let them off IMO

I'm also in the north and also remember the WHOLE country snowed in in the 70's.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Pardon?

 

[snadge]

He said there was where he lived at the time you effete cosmopolitan

Wanker.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I'm also in the north and also remember the WHOLE country snowed in in the 70's.

Read the post you just replied to again. I wasn't talking about snow.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Wanker.

And it does me good like it bloody well should

 

[butchersapron]

It was the unburied dead

 

[Tom A]

Twice today on Facebook (both on anti-benefit cuts pages) I saw the Green party being mentioned as a good alternative to the mainstream parties, without any critical thinking about them. Twice I brought up the spectre of Brighton. Twice I was told to read the Green Party manifesto. Twice I was accused of 'ignorance' when I subsequently dismissed it as propaganda and not worth the paper it's printed on. In one case (in a thread that was sadly deleted because the mods don't like "heated arguments" on that particular page) someone liked to Jason Kitcat's website as part of his counter-argument (someone who is vastly disliked even from within his own party). I also got the usual apologist bilge about how the Green council have saved more services in Brighton than any other council, and how it was all the Tories' fault anyway, and the issue of the refuse workers is all about equalising the pay of the genders.

I've heard similar bull from the mouths of "Labour left" apologists in the past.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Twice today on Facebook (both on anti-benefit cuts pages) I saw the Green party being mentioned as a good alternative to the mainstream parties, without any critical thinking about them. Twice I brought up the spectre of Brighton. Twice I was told to read the Green Party manifesto. Twice I was accused of 'ignorance' when I subsequently dismissed it as propaganda and not worth the paper it's printed on. In one case (in a thread that was sadly deleted because the mods don't like "heated arguments" on that particular page) someone liked to Jason Kitcat's website as part of his counter-argument (someone who is vastly disliked even from within his own party). I also got the usual apologist bilge about how the Green council have saved more services in Brighton than any other council, and how it was all the Tories' fault anyway, and the issue of the refuse workers is all about equalising the pay of the genders.

I've heard similar bull from the mouths of "Labour left" apologists in the past.

Lib Dems innit

 

[sihhi]

Their prominent members Jenny Jones and Caroline Lucas are signatories to this rubbish idea:

http://action.compassonline.org.uk/page/s/public-interest

"The current press and political scandal is not an isolated event. It’s the third crisis in quick succession. First, the bankers and their bonuses, then some politicians and their expenses and now there is the press, profiting from peoples’ pain, grief and private lives.

If public organisations and citizens are vigilant, that elite won’t be able to get away with it again. With the right checks and balances we can put the public interest back into the heart of the system.

To work out how to do it we call for a new Public Jury for the British public interest to propose reforms of banking, politics, media and the police. The Jury would be made up of 1,000 citizens drawn as a random sample of the electorate.

The Jury will be funded out of the public purse, with a paid secretariat with the resources to commission research and call witnesses. It will have the power to require attendance where persons will be asked by the public to explain themselves. Reporting within a year of its launch the convention will study and report on:

Media ownership and the public interest
The role of the financial sector in the crash
MP selections and accountability
Policing and public interest
How to apply a ‘public interest first’ test more generally to British political and corporate life"

 

[Tom A]

That sounds quite wanky liberal reformist, but don't see anything too scary in that, other than raising false conciousness and distracting people from more effective ideas.

 

[DotCommunist]

If public organisations and citizens are vigilant, that elite won’t be able to get away with it again. With the right checks and balances we can put the public interest back into the heart of the system.

wonderfully naive

 

[FridgeMagnet]

What we need here is more public debate. And a proper report.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I think we've established beyond all reasonable doubt that the Green Party is shit. But I won't rest until we get to at least 50 pages

 

[DJ Squelch]

Labour have taken the councillor seat in the Green stronghold of Hanover by just 38 votes but with a 12% swing.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1054...you__following_shock_by_election_win/?ref=rss

 

[butchersapron]

Lucas can wave bye bye to that seat in 2015 - i think she would have been on her way without the ongoing green fuck-ups though because of the national picture. And thus ends the greens nationally for another 20 years. Here's the full result - nice to see a green--> UKIP swing of the same size as well:

Lab 1,396 (39.8; +8.8)
Green 1,358 (38.7; -14.6)
Con 275 (7.8; -1.5)
UKIP 250 (7.1; +7.1)
TUSC 172 (4.9; +2.0)
LD Lev Eakins 56 (1.6; -1.9)
Majority 38
Turnout 29.1%

 

[DotCommunist]

TUSC getting more than double the vote of the LD man. Strange days

 

[DaveCinzano]

TUSC getting more than double the vote of the LD man.

Or, in common parlance, 'more than three times the vote of the LD man'.

(I did just check it was a LD man and not a LD woman and was greeted with this...)

 

[DotCommunist]

Or, in common parlance, 'more than three times the vote of the LD man'.

(I did just check it was a LD man and not a LD woman and was greeted with this...)

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three times 56 is more than 172. What am I missing here. Despite the usual things like brain etc?


oh wait I just did the sums properly with a pen and I now feel foolish.

 

[DaveCinzano]

three times 56 is more than 172. What am I missing here. Despite the usual things like brain etc?

3 x 56 = 168.

 

[emanymton]

three times 56 is more than 172. What am I missing here. Despite the usual things like brain etc?

Might want to check your maths again there

But yes another breakthrough result for TUSC, exciting times indeed.