Who will be the next Labour leader?

[Pickman's model]

But what, specifically?

perhaps kebabking has this interview in mind

 

[brogdale]

perhaps kebabking has this interview in mind

No dog in the fight, but have to say that interview reflects more upon the party's campaign/media team than RLB herself. She'd clearly been told not to reveal key 2017 manifesto commitments, so it's hard to see why her handlers took the interview in the first place. Not her finest hour, but I don't actually see it as a 'car-crash' for her, personally.

 

[two sheds]

So embarrassed by this

Just call them pedants, works for me

 

[Mr Moose]

Nandy for me - don't agree with a large slice of what she says, but she's a decent communicator, and has the intellectual curiosity to at least stand a chance of working Labour out of its current malaise. Some direction being better than none at this stage...

Starmer just comes across as meh - he comes on the radio and I just hear the voice from Charlie Brown: wah wah wah, wah wah wah...

Long Bailey is just hopeless. For all her prolier-than-thou bollocks she seems utterly divorced from anyone who doesn't get all shrieky on Twitter - and she's just unutterably shit at every thing she does: no backbone whatsoever, and Chris Grayling levels of basic competence.

Thornberry: voter repellent.

Nandy has done some pretty serious leveraging of the Party position, it must change, it took people voting for Boris to make us see the need for change. Given that she is someone of the soft left at best and has been largely unclear about that change, it’s quite a gamble to assume that change isn’t going involve some uncomfortable retreats. Tell me otherwise as I’m unconvinced by any of them and happy to hear the positive about any of them.

 

[oryx]

perhaps kebabking has this interview in mind

That's nearly three years old! It's not a great interview but that's mainly because she is being made to appear evasive as she doesn't want to leak details of the manifesto.

Any (preferably more recent) evidence of Grayling levels of incompetence, kebabking ?

 

[kebabking]

Nandy has done some pretty serious leveraging of the Party position, it must change, it took people voting for Boris to make us see the need for change. Given that she is someone of the soft left at best and has been largely unclear about that change, it’s quite a gamble to assume that change isn’t going involve some uncomfortable retreats. Tell me otherwise as I’m unconvinced by any of them and happy to hear the positive about any of them.

The GE and how it effects the LP's, and the lefts' generally, ability to mitigate government legislation and policy was a fairly uncomfortable retreat, I'd take the view that that reality is the big, hard truth, and that accepting the loss of words on a piece of paper that aren't going to be implemented is rather small beer compared to that.

 

[kebabking]

..Any (preferably more recent) evidence of Grayling levels of incompetence, kebabking ?

I apologise without reservation or sincerity if my previous answer of everything she says and does doesn't satisfy the Commissar for Thought.

I dislike her more every time I watch, read or hear her, she appears to have no real ideas of her own - something she shares with Starmer and Thornberry - and given how she was placed at the beginning of this campaign: the Corbyn Candidate, the immediate backing she got from Unite etc.. her progress has been fucking woeful.

You won't like any further answers I might give you, so you'd be best off finding a 'maybe' voter to turn off....

 

[oryx]

I apologise without reservation or sincerity if my previous answer of everything she says and does doesn't satisfy the Commissar for Thought.

I dislike her more every time I watch, read or hear her, she appears to have no real ideas of her own - something she shares with Starmer and Thornberry - and given how she was placed at the beginning of this campaign: the Corbyn Candidate, the immediate backing she got from Unite etc.. her progress has been fucking woeful.

You won't like any further answers I might give you, so you'd be best off finding a 'maybe' voter to turn off....

So no evidence then.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Nandy for me - don't agree with a large slice of what she says, but she's a decent communicator...

Well the food was terrible, but the plates it came on were lovely. Five stars.

Mental.

 

[kebabking]

So no evidence then.

More than enough for me - you do understand how politics works don't you?

You do know that I don't have to submit a referenced thesis to some random on the internet for permission to not rate their chosen candidate?

If you're interested, I don't know one person who has a vote in the leadership election who's enthusiasm for RLB has grown during the campaign. Lots will still vote for rather than the others, but no one I know is saying 'shes better than I thought she'd be....'.

 

[Mr Moose]

The GE and how it effects the LP's, and the lefts' generally, ability to mitigate government legislation and policy was a fairly uncomfortable retreat, I'd take the view that that reality is the big, hard truth, and that accepting the loss of words on a piece of paper that aren't going to be implemented is rather small beer compared to that.

I’m no purity obsessive, but it’s fair enough that Labour’s next iteration cannot be a Blair reboot, neither morally nor tactically. However the landing strip between competence and extremism is painfully thin for Labour in a way it’s not for the Tories. Good luck finding it.

I still believe whoever is the leader needs to be on a strict probation and if they are not gaining traction they should reboot in 2-3 years when it may be clearer what bs the next election will be fought on.

 

[oryx]

More than enough for me - you do understand how politics works don't you?

You do know that I don't have to submit a referenced thesis to some random on the internet for permission to not rate their chosen candidate?

If you're interested, I don't know one person who has a vote in the leadership election who's enthusiasm for RLB has grown during the campaign. Lots will still vote for rather than the others, but no one I know is saying 'shes better than I thought she'd be....'.

Not asking for a referenced thesis and I can't think how you got that idea.

If you make an assertion like RLB being as competent as Grayling you should be able to back it up not just reference your own feelings and dislikes

 

[oryx]

- you do understand how politics works don't you?

Yeah and one cardinal principle is that if you don't back up assertions you're going to get scrutinised ..

 

[redsquirrel]

You do know that I don't have to submit a referenced thesis to some random on the internet for permission to not rate their chosen candidate?

No, but you are posting on a political discussion board. It's hardly unreasonable for you to be asked you to actually support your position with some reasoning. If you can't be arsed/don't want/are unable to give it fine but oryx is making a perfectly fair point.

 

[brogdale]

More than enough for me - you do understand how politics works don't you?

You do know that I don't have to submit a referenced thesis to some random on the internet for permission to not rate their chosen candidate?

If you're interested, I don't know one person who has a vote in the leadership election who's enthusiasm for RLB has grown during the campaign. Lots will still vote for rather than the others, but no one I know is saying 'shes better than I thought she'd be....'.

I think it was, perhaps, the use of the phrase 'basic competence' that's at issue. Whilst I accept that perception is all in politics, and it could be argued that giving an impression of credibility is a basic political competence, it's the Grayling comparison that begs explanation. He not only came over as an incompetent, but also established an impressively consistent record of professional failure. Though I agree that RLB has not commanded confidence with her public outings I'm not at all sure why you'd think she was incompetent in her professional role as a front-bench politician.

Unless you are aware that she's responsible for some actual fuck-ups, the Grayling comparison looks a tad harsh, tbh.

 

[William of Walworth]

Unless you are aware that she's responsible for some actual fuck-ups, the Grayling comparison looks a tad harsh, tbh.

I agree with this, she's nowhere near as bad as Grayling, and it's virtually impossible that she could be anywhere near as spectacularly useless as that walking fuck-up ....

But you're right that for a lot, RLB is a hard candidate to warm to, at all.

I think it was oryx (pages ago) who floated the idea that she could be a good Shadow Chancellor. I think she'd actually be competent, even better, at a details-and-figures job like that, even a highly important job like that.

But as a leader? I don't get the attraction at all.

<apologies for not discussing actual policies here , but it's late ... >

 

[brogdale]

Telegraph, and all that...but...

 

[Proper Tidy]

Not trying to stir the pot here but unite didn't immediately come out for long bailey, in fact they took their time, long after unison had gone for sir posh chin and GMB had gone lisa miliband

 

[William of Walworth]

Ed Miliband could, dare I say it, be very good at Environment-related stuff (IMO)

They'd better not bring back his brother though

 

[two sheds]

We need someone with the incisive logic of Useless Eustace as Shadow Environment Secretary though

WATCH: Tory confirms Dominic Cummings is in charge in humiliating interview

A TORY MP has confirmed Dominic Cummings is in charge of Boris Johnson's Government in an embarrassing slip of the tongue in an interview.

www.thenational.scot

George Eustice was asked about Downing Street's silence over adviser Andrew Sabisky who suggested there should be an uptake of contraception to stop unplanned pregnancies “creating a permanent underclass”.


Kay Burley questioned Eustice before it was revealed Sabisky was the one who had the controversial opinions.
When asked whether he would be comfortable with someone with those views working in Downing Street, Eustice said: "Look, I'm not going to get drawn into the comments of that individual. That's a matter for Dominic Cummings in Number 10 and I'm sure you can talk to him."

 

[Proper Tidy]

Btw if any truth in starmer wanting to put reeves on front bench then it speaks volumes. Reeves who wants labour to be tougher on welfare than tories. Grim fucker.

 

[Steel Icarus]

extremism

 

[oryx]

Btw if any truth in starmer wanting to put reeves on front bench then it speaks volumes. Reeves who wants labour to be tougher on welfare than tories. Grim fucker.

It's nearly five years old, but I'm not aware of Reeves backtracking on these views.

Rachel Reeves says Labour does not want to represent people out of work

'Labour are a party of working people, formed for and by working people'

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Steel Icarus]

Lot of people who've never had a real job seem to have a lot to say about working people, laziness, etc

 

[Proper Tidy]

It's nearly five years old, but I'm not aware of Reeves backtracking on these views.

Rachel Reeves says Labour does not want to represent people out of work

'Labour are a party of working people, formed for and by working people'

www.independent.co.uk

Trying to remember if these comments were before or after she racked up a 5k debt she apparently couldn't pay back on her expenses card and got cut off

 

[Humberto]

Lot of people who've never had a real job seem to have a lot to say about working people, laziness, etc

It's ideology. Self-serving, self-reassuring, demented palpable nonsense. But for all that it's driven by the ideological momentum and popularity that resulted from the sheer immovable self-worship of right-wing Libertarianism.

 

[oryx]

Trying to remember if these comments were before or after she racked up a 5k debt she apparently couldn't pay back on her expenses card and got cut off

I didn't know that!

 

[William of Walworth]

Much of the most Blairite parts of the LP, pre-Corbyn especially, have been terrible at that stuff

But the one I've truly never forgiven is Nick Clegg. That Yellow Book LD scum remarked on 'alarm-clock Britain'< x several more> and had a dig at people with their curtains shut at 10 am or something <and a few more 's!!!!! >, back in Tory Coalition days.

 

[Steel Icarus]

It's like Mick Jagger at the height of Reaganomics releasing "Let's Work"

 

[Shechemite]

What would even be the point of appealing to remainers now? What can be delivered for them?