Who will be the next Labour leader?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh i see, in on the conspiracy too eh?
weltweit
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Don't know what you mean?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
More evidence
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Starmer, the posh london mp, technocrat, and architect of the position that caused labour to not only take a battering but, more importantly, to take that battering in seats that had never gone tory before, sign me up
Proper Tidy
Arsed
And Durham university so he knows how brexit loving northerners feel
gawkrodger
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Who clearly needs to check what 'policy' means given the complete lack of them quoted in his thread
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
That would be corbyn
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He's simultaneously a secret leaver and the person who imposed an effective remain position on labour. Did you even read the lewis goodall article that you recommended we read?
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
I’m not talking about brexit, I’m talking about the fact that the north HATED him.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Why did 'the north hate' him
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What did that article say? It said that he was rather feted until he made the turn to remain (a position i suspect that you support) and then an attache of ready made reasons to hate him were just to hand (luckily) which then became the stick with which to beat him for his move to a remain position. If you do support remain he did exactly what you wanted.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
He was always going to lose those heartlands. your typical labour leaver also cares hugely about national security, terrorism. Socially conservative. So even if corbyn supported brexit a lot of people would hated him based on that.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
I had no problem at all personally with corbyns brexit position.
butchersapron
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So the thing you have no problem with, that caused all the hate you think he should have done. And yet you blame him for doing it? Bizarre.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not as many people would have voted otherwise or abstained on thursday. Not a chance.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
That’s not what is causing me hate for him. Think you’ve misunderstood. My problem is that he is never going to appeal to the labour heartlands. And thus we are fucked.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He did well enough in 2017. Your article that you recommended goes into this. Then something changed. As the article goes into. What was that thing?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
So why did labour lose seats they held in '17, what changed?
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
And before you say “well neither would middle class remainer Londoner Starmer” - I disagree. I read recently that he’s still really well liked in sedgefield. Let’s face it, a lot of people have very conventional ideas about what politicians should look like. He might not be wildly popular up north but i think people would feel happier voting for a labour led by him.
Ps that Goodall article I posed wasn’t to prove any point. I just thought it was interesting.
Ps that Goodall article I posed wasn’t to prove any point. I just thought it was interesting.
butchersapron
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But you don't seem to have taken anything at all of it on board and are arguing directly against it!
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
I think people didn’t know who corbyn was then and were willing to give him a chance. Sure, the brexit stuff was a problem, but I still think even if he’d gone full brexit people would still have voted brexit party/not voted.
(Edited post as original made no sense)
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Come on now. He'd been leader for two years and May called the election believing corbyn was so toxic she could get a bigger majority to go soft brexit. You know this is about labour backing a second referendum.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Corbyn who'd opposed EU membership sinnce 1974, before ( regrettably) caving to immense pressure re: 2nd Ref in 2019 ?
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
Ach, I dunno. Maybe you’re right and I’m wrong. It’s all depressing
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
So being the son of a nurse & a toolmaker makes you posh? Or is his poshness just from his career as a barrister?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't you believe in social mobility? It's private school, oxbridge, mp, Director of Public Prosecutions , Head of the Crown Prosecution Service, Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath and Privy Councillor what makes him posh.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Really hard to say, as someone on Labour's left. Long Bailey might be my preferred choice of those mentioned.
One thing I think is really important is to base the choice on the leader's abilities, politics and potential, not their gender. We shouldn't end up with the wrong choice of leader because of bowing down to pressure to choose a woman. See: some Tory fuckwit crowing about how they would probably have a third woman leader before Labour had their first one; Theresa May doing similar; allegations of Corbyn being a misogynist when he probably had more women in the shadow cabinet than any other leader.
My overriding opinion, though, is 'Anyone but Jess Phillips'.
One thing I think is really important is to base the choice on the leader's abilities, politics and potential, not their gender. We shouldn't end up with the wrong choice of leader because of bowing down to pressure to choose a woman. See: some Tory fuckwit crowing about how they would probably have a third woman leader before Labour had their first one; Theresa May doing similar; allegations of Corbyn being a misogynist when he probably had more women in the shadow cabinet than any other leader.
My overriding opinion, though, is 'Anyone but Jess Phillips'.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Seriously, if that's not modern day posh then nothing is.
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