Who will be the next Labour leader?

[redsquirrel]

What is it with these outraged liberals and the LP.
Its SO unfair that this party (that I'm not a member of, that I don't even vote for) does not change its politics to something that suits me!

I doubt this poster has ever been in a political organisation in their life.

I don't think most of them have.

 

[alex_]

In Streatham Bell Ribeiro-Addy got 54.8% of the vote. So LDs came nowhere near winning the seat. This in an area that was Rmain . Bell Ribeio - Addy was a candidate from the left of the party. Replacing Chuka. So its good result and shows inner London didnt reject Labour party.

what you said “there was no Lib Dem surge” - what actually happened - LD vote nearly quadrupled.

 

[Gramsci]

what you said “there was no Lib Dem surge” - what actually happened - LD vote nearly quadrupled.

The LDs didn't get the seat. So the surge didn't work.

 

[Gramsci]

The LDs didn't get the seat. So the surge didn't work.

 

[alex_]

The LDs didn't get the seat. So the surge didn't work.

Is that the surge which you said their was no evidence of or a different one ?

 

[Gramsci]

Is that the surge which you said their was no evidence of or a different one ?

Can we stop pussy footing around.

What your getting at is that Corbynism was terrible and that a new leader needs to appeal to the middle class ( Remain) voter. So what the Labour party needs is a a 21st Century updated version of Tony Blair?

Someone like Keir Starmer ?

 

[alex_]

Can we stop pussy footing around.

What your getting at is that Corbynism was terrible and that a new leader needs to appeal to the middle class ( Remain) voter. So what the Labour party needs is a a 21st Century updated version of Tony Blair?

Someone like Keir Starmer ?

no, I’m calling out bullshit.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Why the massive debate over whether the libdems losing by 18k votes and recording less than one vote for every two the labour candidate got counts as a surge or not, who gives a fuck, they weren't even close

 

[Gramsci]

no, I’m calling out bullshit.

What exactly is the "bullshit"?

The Labour candidate won by a big margin. The LD surge didnt work. The idea of a LD surge to any reasonable person was that they would take seats. This did not happen in Streatham or the rest of inner London. So how you can say im bullshitting is beyond me . Unless you have something else in mind.

You made you views clear on Brixton Forum recently. That Tony Blair won elections and did a lot of good. Corbyn is a failure. Your posts here are imo a continuation. So lets have it out. Instead of arguing about percentages of votes. When the Labour left candidate won by big margin.

Swinson went all out for Remain. I got several leaflets from LDs telling me how Corbyn was terrible and the only option was to vote LD or Green .

Didn't work in London.

As I said on Brixton Forum I thought it was mistake for Greens locally to get caught up with LDs.

So do you think Keir Starmer is the best canditate for leadership?

 

[Lefty1992]

I'd go for Starmer.
For a start he'd take Labour back to the centre ground which is where they need to be to win elections.
Not just that but with his background as an ex-lawyer, his forensic knowledge and attention to detail over the workings of Brexit, will really mean he would wipe the floor clean of Boris and his bluster.
He comes across as a highly competent politician and I believe he out of the candidates would stand the best chance of making Labour electable or at least an effective opposition.

 

[two sheds]

Replace Starmer with Blair and I'd agree with you 100%

 

[two sheds]

I'd go for Starmer.
For a start he'd take Labour back to the centre ground which is where they need to be to win elections.
Not just that but with his background as an ex-lawyer, his forensic knowledge and attention to detail over the workings of Brexit, will really mean he would wipe the floor clean of Boris and his bluster.
He comes across as a highly competent politician and I believe he out of the candidates would stand the best chance of making Labour electable or at least an effective opposition.

So what we really need is some sort of third way between the pure capitalism of the conservative approach and the old labour party approach which focused on trade unions, public ownership, a strong welfare state, government intervention and redistribution of wealth?

 

[two sheds]

The problem though is investment - where do we get the money to invest in public services like the NHS which is so lacking in investment? It needs something like a private finance initiative to attract the private sector to invest in public services so we can make all the improvements we need.

 

[Humberto]

I don't think people knew where Labour stood on Brexit, which for years has been the ever-approaching dominant issue in the news media. Even now Starmer is equivocating. That's the ball that was dropped; i.e not ratifying the results of the referendum. For all the leadership faults (deliberate lack of it really) we can't talk about about people wanting a past that never was and then expect them to stand up for Labour. It (Brexit) will indeed fuck the economy, who will work on the land? Taxes will have to go up as revenue will fall to defray the lost cheap foreign labour.

We'll probably get bullied by America, Russia. The stock market is unpredictable. It's a gamble. I don't think Johnson knows anything we don't. A laissez-faire government is what the country doesn't need. In other words, 'managed decline', marketisation.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Effective opposition. Wasn't corbyn's labour the most effective opposition we've seen in a long while despite being a constant fucking mess, after all it moved it on from an austerity consensus to a tory govt committed to spending

 

[butchersapron]

I'd go for Starmer.
For a start he'd take Labour back to the centre ground which is where they need to be to win elections.
Not just that but with his background as an ex-lawyer, his forensic knowledge and attention to detail over the workings of Brexit, will really mean he would wipe the floor clean of Boris and his bluster.
He comes across as a highly competent politician and I believe he out of the candidates would stand the best chance of making Labour electable or at least an effective opposition.

Do you really think anyone will fall for this?

 

[Mr Moose]

I don't think people knew where Labour stood on Brexit, which for years has been the ever-approaching dominant issue in the news media. Even now Starmer is equivocating. That's the ball that was dropped; i.e not ratifying the results of the referendum. For all the leadership faults (deliberate lack of it really) we can't talk about about people wanting a past that never was and then expect them to stand up for Labour. It (Brexit) will indeed fuck the economy, who will work on the land? Taxes will have to go up as revenue will fall to defray the lost cheap foreign labour.

We'll probably get bullied by America, Russia. The stock market is unpredictable. It's a gamble. I don't think Johnson knows anything we don't. A laissez-faire government is what the country doesn't need. In other words, 'managed decline', marketisation.

There is a contradiction though if you think Brexit is likely to fuck the economy with other negative consequences and yet Labour (with a membership that broadly agreed with you) needed to ratify this result.

 

[Sue]

I'd go for Starmer.
For a start he'd take Labour back to the centre ground which is where they need to be to win elections.
Not just that but with his background as an ex-lawyer, his forensic knowledge and attention to detail over the workings of Brexit, will really mean he would wipe the floor clean of Boris and his bluster.
He comes across as a highly competent politician and I believe he out of the candidates would stand the best chance of making Labour electable or at least an effective opposition.

Lefty1992 eh? Must. Try. Harder.

 

[brogdale]

Lefty1992 eh? Must. Try. Harder.

Imagine being 28 and thinking Tony Starmer was the answer.

 

[Steel Icarus]

So either not a lefty or not genuine. Or not either, I suppose. Why bother?

 

[killer b]

It's just wells

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

only 7000 voted, not exactly convincing, lost all interest in Momentum, Nandy was good on Neil interview, apparently the political journos are saying she smashed it.

Nandy was good... until she started talking about Scotland. Said should look to Catalonia to see how to deal with “divisive nationalism” in Scotland.

 

[Lefty1992]

Wasn't corbyn's labour the most effective opposition we've seen in a long while

Are you living in some form of parallel universe?

 

[butchersapron]

Bye

 

[Proper Tidy]

Are you living in some form of parallel universe?

From you, probably, yes. Have your kidneys popped yet

 

[Sasaferrato]

The problem though is investment - where do we get the money to invest in public services like the NHS which is so lacking in investment? It needs something like a private finance initiative to attract the private sector to invest in public services so we can make all the improvements we need.

PFI is the last fucking thing that is needed.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

 

[two sheds]

PFI is the last fucking thing that is needed.

But where are we going to get the huge amount of money needed for the NHS without running up huge government debts that will ruin future generations?

(just suggesting something lefty might approve of )

 

[Mr Moose]

Are you living in some form of parallel universe?

If you want to debate sensibly you have to see both sides of the coin. Not only did Labour set the agenda about austerity and the NHS it also saw off May’s Govt after making it powerless for two years. The Tories ended up doing a number of things to neutralise it, like on the minimum wage. The scale of the reaction to Labour, the sheer effort expended to defeat itshows it was doing something.

Ultimately Labour couldn’t square Brexit and when it couldn’t it foolishly continued with an exposed and by then widely unpopular leader. But it was not all failure by any means.

Don’t think that a lurch to the right solves this. There are other lines of attack for the press, other contradictions to deal with if it does.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

RLB clearly the best from what I saw of the hustings in my view. Only one to acknowledge that Labour’s Brexit policy cost them the election whilst being utterly unapologetic about Labour’s commitment to socialism and anti-racism and thereby not giving an inch to the Blairite or Blue Labour scum.