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Who will be the next Labour leader?

Who will replace Corbyn?

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Mr Moose said:
This is certainly true, but it’s not the only factor. Corbyn was deeply unpopular after four years of carpet bombing by the press, but also unpopular with many people who would instinctively disbelieve anything they wrote.

You can argue that this is simply permeation of their influence, but he had too much baggage and no sympathetic story to hawk. These are considerations. Can Starmer present himself as likeable or trustworthy given a bruising career? Would for example Rayner’s personal story play better? Not that these things matter so much if no candidate has the competency for the other demands of the role.
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Johnson's personal story is that of a bullying, arrogant, racist, posh, corrupt, lying incompetent given only the barest of whitewashes by some panel show appearances and avuncular bumbling.

And Corbyn's initial presentation was as a decent, honest, not quite Jimmy Stewart do-gooder for a fair portion of the press/party. Right up until he started winning anyway.

A backstory is only as relevant as the spin makes it and only as good as press and politicos allow it to be. No point judging a potential leader on it.
 
Clive Lewis entering the running.
Lewis also called for Labour to embrace proportional representation, which would likely necessitate working with other parties on the left in order to form a government.
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Not sure he'll even make it onto the ballot.
 
redsquirrel said:
Clive Lewis entering the running.

Not sure he'll even make it onto the ballot.
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He’s a more maverick addition (less easily pigeonholed into the left or right of Labour and so probably lacking enough support) and his words on democratising the Party are interesting. He’s done well to keep hold of South Norwich and he has a bit of real life experience.

The PR thing is odd, sort of laudable, but in our system it’s a bit like saying you don’t expect to win.
 


Lisa campaign begins, anyone know what she was like as Hammersmith councillor?

Clive is good, but bit of loose cannon, part time TA though in past, worth some votes with ex service people.
 
How is the leader elected? Is it a slick process?

I'm no fan of the Tories but they seemed to have a well organised process where you could see the candidates and their progress.
 
treelover said:


Good speech, she will have to learn how to project though if she becomes leader,
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Bless her, a fine speech, she gets what's at stake with parliament and the labour party. Lisa is lovely , you can see why she gets asked out when canvassing. Whether the leadership votes will come to her i'm note sure.
 
Proper Tidy said:
This isn't really based on anything and not political (although from what I know of him he has some shit politics) but I get bad vibes off that Clive Lewis one
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There's some proper wtf moments in this interview tbf. A stillborn leadership run IMO.

I’ve spent 40 plus years as Clive Lewis, and one of the things you have to come to terms with is you are no longer just Clive Lewis – you are Clive Lewis MP. It does come with responsibilities, and so someone asking to be in a picture with you, and you putting your arm around them and hugging them in, [I have to remember that I’m doing it as] Clive Lewis MP, in the public eye. So there is a power dynamic, which means that you just can’t do that. So I have had to change how I engage with people – women especially. It’s a really sad thing to say, but it is a sign of our times. I also have to think about that when I’m alone with female activists. You never want to be in a situation where someone can make a claim when it’s their word against yours. Those are the things you have to think about now: you shouldn’t have to, and I never did before, but I think since the #MeToo movement, there’s a more heightened sense about those power relationships.

I also had to apologise to someone for picking them up and spinning them around, and that’s something I would have done without thinking in my time as Clive Lewis. I’ve gone through my life without having a reputation for being a groper – as far as I’m aware no one at the BBC in the 12 years I worked there claimed that I was a groper. I’m sure that someone would have said if that was the case, or if I’d unduly touched someone in the wrong way. And you know, in the army it never happened. So for me to now, as an MP, suddenly start thinking that I can get away with groping people, which I’ve not done for the vast majority of my adult life… why would I start now?

Clive Lewis: ‘It’s time to tell the truth’
 
killer b said:
There's some proper wtf moments in this interview tbf. A stillborn leadership run IMO.

I’ve spent 40 plus years as Clive Lewis, and one of the things you have to come to terms with is you are no longer just Clive Lewis – you are Clive Lewis MP. It does come with responsibilities, and so someone asking to be in a picture with you, and you putting your arm around them and hugging them in, [I have to remember that I’m doing it as] Clive Lewis MP, in the public eye. So there is a power dynamic, which means that you just can’t do that. So I have had to change how I engage with people – women especially. It’s a really sad thing to say, but it is a sign of our times. I also have to think about that when I’m alone with female activists. You never want to be in a situation where someone can make a claim when it’s their word against yours. Those are the things you have to think about now: you shouldn’t have to, and I never did before, but I think since the #MeToo movement, there’s a more heightened sense about those power relationships.

I also had to apologise to someone for picking them up and spinning them around, and that’s something I would have done without thinking in my time as Clive Lewis. I’ve gone through my life without having a reputation for being a groper – as far as I’m aware no one at the BBC in the 12 years I worked there claimed that I was a groper. I’m sure that someone would have said if that was the case, or if I’d unduly touched someone in the wrong way. And you know, in the army it never happened. So for me to now, as an MP, suddenly start thinking that I can get away with groping people, which I’ve not done for the vast majority of my adult life… why would I start now?

Clive Lewis: ‘It’s time to tell the truth’
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Not sure what we're supposed to make of this. I guess it's what Steve Bruce is up to now, maybe on behalf of Vice.
 
killer b said:
There's some proper wtf moments in this interview tbf. A stillborn leadership run IMO.

I’ve spent 40 plus years as Clive Lewis, and one of the things you have to come to terms with is you are no longer just Clive Lewis – you are Clive Lewis MP. It does come with responsibilities, and so someone asking to be in a picture with you, and you putting your arm around them and hugging them in, [I have to remember that I’m doing it as] Clive Lewis MP, in the public eye. So there is a power dynamic, which means that you just can’t do that. So I have had to change how I engage with people – women especially. It’s a really sad thing to say, but it is a sign of our times. I also have to think about that when I’m alone with female activists. You never want to be in a situation where someone can make a claim when it’s their word against yours. Those are the things you have to think about now: you shouldn’t have to, and I never did before, but I think since the #MeToo movement, there’s a more heightened sense about those power relationships.

I also had to apologise to someone for picking them up and spinning them around, and that’s something I would have done without thinking in my time as Clive Lewis. I’ve gone through my life without having a reputation for being a groper – as far as I’m aware no one at the BBC in the 12 years I worked there claimed that I was a groper. I’m sure that someone would have said if that was the case, or if I’d unduly touched someone in the wrong way. And you know, in the army it never happened. So for me to now, as an MP, suddenly start thinking that I can get away with groping people, which I’ve not done for the vast majority of my adult life… why would I start now?

Clive Lewis: ‘It’s time to tell the truth’
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Total wrong 'un
 
Supine said:
How is the leader elected? Is it a slick process?

I'm no fan of the Tories but they seemed to have a well organised process where you could see the candidates and their progress.
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Nomination:

10% of MPs and MEPS, And;
5% of CLPs or 5% of affiliates (from at least 3 affiliates, including 2 unions).

Election:

MPs, members, affiliate members and registered supporters can all vote. 1 person one vote, non-collegiate.
 
killer b said:
There's some proper wtf moments in this interview tbf. A stillborn leadership run IMO.

I’ve spent 40 plus years as Clive Lewis, and one of the things you have to come to terms with is you are no longer just Clive Lewis – you are Clive Lewis MP. It does come with responsibilities, and so someone asking to be in a picture with you, and you putting your arm around them and hugging them in, [I have to remember that I’m doing it as] Clive Lewis MP, in the public eye. So there is a power dynamic, which means that you just can’t do that. So I have had to change how I engage with people – women especially. It’s a really sad thing to say, but it is a sign of our times. I also have to think about that when I’m alone with female activists. You never want to be in a situation where someone can make a claim when it’s their word against yours. Those are the things you have to think about now: you shouldn’t have to, and I never did before, but I think since the #MeToo movement, there’s a more heightened sense about those power relationships.

I also had to apologise to someone for picking them up and spinning them around, and that’s something I would have done without thinking in my time as Clive Lewis. I’ve gone through my life without having a reputation for being a groper – as far as I’m aware no one at the BBC in the 12 years I worked there claimed that I was a groper. I’m sure that someone would have said if that was the case, or if I’d unduly touched someone in the wrong way. And you know, in the army it never happened. So for me to now, as an MP, suddenly start thinking that I can get away with groping people, which I’ve not done for the vast majority of my adult life… why would I start now?

Clive Lewis: ‘It’s time to tell the truth’
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The irony was, when I clicked on that website, it said 'we need your consent'.
 
DJWrongspeed said:
Bless her, a fine speech, she gets what's at stake with parliament and the labour party. Lisa is lovely , you can see why she gets asked out when canvassing. Whether the leadership votes will come to her i'm note sure.
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Owen Smith.
 
Cid said:
Nomination:

10% of MPs and MEPS, And;
5% of CLPs or 5% of affiliates (from at least 3 affiliates, including 2 unions).

Election:

MPs, members, affiliate members and registered supporters can all vote. 1 person one vote, non-collegiate.
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In terms of the registered supporters, there's certainly some leeway for the NEC to vary the rules conditions, iirc. For example the amount went up from something like a £3 donation to a £25 donation, to get a vote, between Corbyn's first and second victories. Can't remember whether the NEC has the power to vary things even more?
 
I don't know will be the next leader of the Labour party but I do know that whoever it is will have a very long uphill struggle. Much as I dislike the idea it will need to be someone like Blair but unlike him they will need to keep out of conflicts in the middle and near east and they will need to reconnect with the working class.
 
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