Who will be the next Labour leader?

[Proper Tidy]

Bizarre that Starmer front runner

 

[redsquirrel]

Bizarre that Starmer front runner

Name recognition as much as anything else.

 

[butchersapron]

The BBC news (well BBC6/6 music at least, others might have also taken this up) have started calling him Sir Keir Starmer and putting his views at the front of their bulletins. I bet they weren't formally told to do this.

(edit: network controller is oxbridge)

 

[imposs1904]

Bizarre that Starmer front runner

He looks the part.

 

[ska invita]

Heard Peston last night claim private polling showed a majority of labour members would back Starmer. Haha fuck off.

I don't doubt it. This is the Labour Party we are talking about.

I wonder if they'll do the £3 a vote thing again?

She's made the most interesting noises definitely. But, RLB hasn't said anything yet as far as I can see. Or Rayner.

She's made a vote for me video. I learned from it that she's from Manchester.

 

[8ball]

Guardian reporting that Thornberry has thrown her hat into the ring, so everyone be careful what they say about her...

She's blown it.

 

[ska invita]

 

[8ball]

Name recognition as much as anything else.

With the general public.
This stuff gets presented like it's some sort of plebiscite.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That's a dreadful logo.

 

[8ball]

My sources in the Labour party seem quite consonant with that.
Starmer's links with the second referendum campaign don't play well, and his 'left' credentials (ie. lack of) are not popular with the 'left' bit of the party. Which is pretty big now.

 

[8ball]

That's a dreadful logo.

Thrusting.
Forward-moving.

Swashbuckling.

 

[SpookyFrank]

What sort of cunt goes around being called 'Keir' anyway?

 

[ska invita]

What sort of cunt goes around being called 'Keir' anyway?

i wouoldnt be surprised if he was named after K Hardie

 

[Nice one]

What sort of cunt goes around being called 'Keir' anyway?

Hardiely know where to start with that one

 

[LDC]

Bit cringe inducing the beginning of that. Looks like the committee was trying too hard to get as many 'working class cultural references' in as possible. And 'take back control' of our economy? I see what they did there. Very subtle.

 

[Sprocket.]

What sort of cunt goes around being called 'Keir' anyway?

Some construction to be sure.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Bit cringe inducing the beginning of that. Looks like the committee was trying too hard to get as many 'working class cultural references' in as possible. And 'take back control' of our economy? I see what they did there. Very subtle.

To be fair that seems to be a video made for the GE. At a national level going on about Manchester United is not a good way to make yourself popular.

 

[Nice one]

Namechecks (proper) man united mcdonalds happy meals and the fall/madchester in the opening - she gets my vote

Werent happy meals introduced in 1986 though the year the first drive through was introduced in the uk fallowfield of all places?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Namechecks (proper) man united mcdonalds happy meals and the fall/madchester in the opening - she gets my vote

Werent happy meals introduced in 1986 though the year the first drive through was introduced in the uk fallowfield of all places?

As Mark E Smith was keen to point out The Fall were a Salford band, not a Manchester band.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Bit cringe inducing the beginning of that. Looks like the committee was trying too hard to get as many 'working class cultural references' in as possible. And 'take back control' of our economy? I see what they did there. Very subtle.

The Northern cultural references are a little OTT sure but then the demand for a 'Northern' leader to solve Labour's problems is also a little OTT.

As for the rest of it, I think it's pretty good actually. Especially the 'Take Back Control' of our economy bit. If only that had been Labour's slogan from the day after the referendum, we wouldn't be in this mess now. It makes a lot of sense as a slogan going forward because we know what the Tories actually push through isn't going to restore any sense of control to working class communities. Not sure if this is a GE video or her video for leadership but I like the slogan and I hope she keeps using it.

Generally I feel slightly more optimistic for watching that.

 

[treelover]

Nah. The advent of Corbyn and Momentum has hauled loads of active people, previously involved in all sorts of activity, into the dead end of Labourism and parliamentary bullshit. Building a culture of resistance in the communities, workplaces and on the streets has sadly been relegated and left to a rump of those in favour of organising from below. I don’t expect many to return after their parliamentarist activity.

where was this culture of resistance?

 

[Mr Moose]

My sources in the Labour party seem quite consonant with that.
Starmer's links with the second referendum campaign don't play well, and his 'left' credentials (ie. lack of) are not popular with the 'left' bit of the party. Which is pretty big now.

Which is probably why he is keen to say that the party should not ‘lurch to the right’ as a consequence of the election.

Keir Starmer sets out case for 'radical Labour government'

 

[DotCommunist]

even kinnock jnr was saying 'we can't go back to wishy washy centrism' yesterday among a load of other shit.

 

[8ball]

Which is probably why he is keen to say that the party should not ‘lurch to the right’ as a consequence of the election.

Keir Starmer sets out case for 'radical Labour government'

Yes, just speaking to a member now who says Starmer is saying some pretty 'left' things, considering. Maybe if Starmer stays on message a lot of them will come round. Not counting the further left who will dwell on his days with the CPS, granted.

 

[Nice one]

As Mark E Smith was keen to point out The Fall were a Salford band, not a Manchester band.

City fan as well -

 

[SpackleFrog]

even kinnock jnr was saying 'we can't go back to wishy washy centrism' yesterday among a load of other shit.

Not exactly though - he's pushing the Blue Labour line along with the rest about being socially conservative, tough on crime and national security and a little bit racist. But they don't think they need to change economically. They think they can have slightly nicer version of centrist Nu Labour and just disguise it with an image overhaul.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

I think you need to re-read.

Mr ski said - in way reminiscent of your claim that Keir Starmer didn't go to privates school that you had to take back - that Keir Starmer isn't posh (now accepts that he is) and i responded by listing all the ways in which he is posh. To this you added human rights lawyer, either to suggest that once being a human rights lawyer whilst being all the things i listed makes him invulnerable to ever being poshor is another example of his poshness. Which is it?

I never had a problem with someone being a human rights lawyer, i didn't bring it up - you did - and i then said i had no problem with it. You seem to be uncharacteristically all over the shop on this thread. I never mentioned RLB either yet you seem to think i have been supporting her or something so try and throw her in my face in your defence of private school posh boy starmer.

I just brought up human rights lawyer to emphasise that, despite going to oxford etc, he has lovely left wing credentials.
The impression I get (don’t mean from you) is that Starmer is disliked because he’s some sort of blairite.
(I also think I misread who said what about RLB)

 

[Pickman's model]

Guardian reporting that Thornberry has thrown her hat into the ring, so everyone be careful what they say about her...

She's got no chance

 

[LDC]

Fucking Thornberry, ffs. The candidate to unite the left as everyone dislikes her?

 

[Pickman's model]

Bizarre that Starmer front runner

Yeh this race a marathon not a sprint and there'll be snickers later on