Who will be the next Labour leader?

[Smokeandsteam]

Interesting then that the concern is that he has problems with Muslims of a certain background, which would negate his ‘it’s not about race’ excuse.

The concern is generalising in a way he wouldn’t about other races and criminality. Let’s judge it on the evidence.

I've only read the link to the story posted by Brogdale. What has he said about races and criminality?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Link was from andysays , but yeah...that's what Philips said.
Accused of islamophobia he says he can't have been because the (APPG) definition adopted by the LP says that Islamophobia is rooted in racism and as the people he's been bad-mouthing in 'The Times' aren't a race, he can't be guilty.
Came across a a colossal cunt.

Right. So can someone post his comments from The Times then??

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Maybe read a few less books and understand that the working class prefer to vote for Thatcher, Blair, and Johnson than anyone you approve of.

What the fuck is this shit?

 

[brogdale]

Right. So can someone post his comments from The Times then??

Can only paraphrase, but the two points raised on R4 were his piece under the headline of "Muslims are not like us" and his published (?) comment that Britain's Muslims are becoming a nation within a nation.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Can only paraphrase, but the two points raised on R4 were his piece under the headline of "Muslims are not like us" and his published (?) comment that Britain's Muslims are becoming a nation within a nation.

Hmmm. It would be useful to know what the alleged comments that led to his suspension actually are - so far all we seem to have are print and media interviews from him reacting to the suspension. I am sure they'll be leaked shortly and I'm sure the BBC are commissioning him to make a film about it as we speak.

 

[Shechemite]

There’s this https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lity-chief-trevor-phillips-says-a6836301.html

 

[The39thStep]

Right. So can someone post his comments from The Times then??

Trevor Phillips, the former head of Britain’s equalities watchdog, has been suspended from the Labour Party over allegations of Islamophobia, The Times can disclose.

A pioneering anti-racism campaigner, Mr Phillips, 66, now faces expulsion from the party for alleged prejudice against Muslims. He first alerted Britain to the problem of Islamophobia in the 1990s but is now being investigated for public statements that include expressing concerns about Pakistani Muslim men sexually abusing children in northern towns such as Rotherham.

Comments by Mr Phillips about the failure by some Muslims to wear poppies for Remembrance Sunday and the sympathy shown by a substantial proportion in an opinion poll towards the “motives” of the Charlie Hebdo killers also form part of the complaint.


He told Today on BBC Radio 4 that he had been suspended with immediate effect and accused the party of “shutting down genuine debate”.


“They say I’ve accused Muslims of being different — Muslims are different, and in many ways I think that’s admirable . . . We cannot continue to simply say differences don’t matter — it’s a form of disrespect,” he said.

Many of his statements date back years but Jennie Formby, Labour’s general secretary, suspended Mr Phillips as a matter of “urgency to protect the party’s reputation”, he was told. He has not been given the identity of any complainant. The suspension pending investigation means he cannot attend party meetings or run for office.
Mr Phillips was the inaugural chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, which is investigating Labour for alleged antisemitism. He was among a number of anti-racists who wrote to The Guardian last year and said that they were refusing to vote Labour at the general election in solidarity with Jews.
In The Times today Mr Phillips says he is a victim of Labour’s adoption of a cross-party group of MPs’ definition of Islamophobia as a “kind of racism” hostile to “Muslimness”. Labour said the party “takes all complaints about Islamophobia extremely seriously and they are fully investigated”.
The accusations are based on his public statements about how to integrate Muslims. As chairman of the Runnymede Trust think tank, Mr Phillips in 1997 published a report on Islamophobia. He successfully lobbied Tony Blair for a law protecting Muslims from incitement.
Khalid Mahmood, England’s first Muslim MP and a Labour backbencher, said “the charges were so outlandish as to bring disrepute on all involved in making them”. Mr Phillips has said there is no suggestion that he has done anything unlawful and “no one inside or outside the Labour Party has ever suggested that I have broken any rules”.
A draft charge sheet cites Mr Phillips’s remarks to a Conservative Party conference fringe event. He said: “I don’t know if I’m the only one here who’s been nominated by a UN body as the Islamophobe of the Year. You might have been, Peter, no?” To laughter, Peter Tatchell, the veteran gay rights campaigner, joked: “I’m jealous!”
The draft charge sheet accuses Mr Phillips of using language “which targets or intimidates members of ethnic or religious communities, or incites racism, including Islamophobia”.
There is speculation about the motives for trying to expel him now. He has been a leading voice denouncing Labour’s antisemitism problems under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership. He is also a member of the same Holborn & St Pancras constituency Labour party in north London as Sir Keir Starmer, the favourite to win the leadership election who is suspected of having designs to move away from a hard-left agenda.
The Tory event last autumn was exploring a new definition of Islamophobia proposed by a cross-party group of MPs. The wording has been widely denounced by religious, secular and free-speech campaigners, including Mr Phillips, who chairs the non-profit organisation Index on Censorship, for being a backdoor ban on blasphemy. Labour and some local authorities have adopted it, however.
Mr Phillips’ reference to being nominated as “Islamophobe of the Year” refers to a mock awards ceremony run by the Islamic Human Rights Commission, a Tehran-supporting, London-based pressure group recognised by the United Nations. The annual event was condemned as tasteless after the commission gave a posthumous award in 2015 to the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo magazine, several of whom had been murdered by terrorists in Paris for drawing the Prophet Mohammed.
Mr Phillips is formally accused of breaking Labour rules forbidding conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to the party. The allegations cite extracts from a pamphlet he wrote for the Civitas think tank, an article for the Unherd website and quotations in news reports in The Times and Daily Mail.
In his 2016 pamphlet Race and Faith: The Deafening Silence, he wrote: “The most sensitive cause of conflict in recent years has been the collision between majority norms and the behaviours of some Muslim groups.
“In particular, the exposure of systematic and longstanding abuse by men, mostly of Pakistani Muslim origin in the north of England.”
He went on to describe attending an Islamic conference before Remembrance Sunday where only one Muslim attendee wore a poppy. The same day he visited an industrial site, the workplace of many African and eastern European immigrants. “Poppies were everywhere,” he wrote. “One group had clearly adapted to the mainstream, the other had not.”
Labour has demanded to know why he wrote in the pamphlet that Enoch Powell’s 1968 “rivers of blood” speech had been “lauded as an epic example of the use of political rhetoric”.
Mr Phillips’ full quotation shows he was emphasising that Powell’s career was ended by the speech. The lesson learnt by people in British public life, he said, was to say nothing about race or religion “that is not anodyne and platitudinous”, resulting in a failure to address anti-immigrant sentiment.
He is also criticised for being quoted in The Times in 2016 referring to “the unacknowledged creation of a nation within the nation, with its own geography, its own values and its own very separate future”.

 

[brogdale]

Hmmm. It would be useful to know what the alleged comments that led to his suspension actually are - so far all we seem to have are print and media interviews from him reacting to the suspension. I am sure they'll be leaked shortly and I'm sure the BBC are commissioning him to make a film about it as we speak.

Based upon what he said in today's interview, I'd say that it seems like the LP's suspension of his membership is an appropriate response.
Can't say that I disagree with Warsi, tbh

 

[Proper Tidy]

This will not end well

 

[brogdale]

Twat face's 2pworth...

 

[Shechemite]

Could be fun to watch though

 

[JimW]

Rules Phillips out as leader though, unless the series ends with a really big twist.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Twat face's 2pworth...

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Reactionary rightwing nationalist cunt. Amazes me that anybody takes this propagandist hack seriously.

 

[brogdale]

Does this story need a new thread, or do we already have an appropriate islamophobia one?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

This will not end well

A masterful understatement. Bound to now be part of the leadership election. Mind you, it’s been going on so long people have stopped paying any attention to it

 

[Marty1]

Most working class people especially those living outside London are racist and therefore voted leave. I don’t care about this. Its just the way it is. Its all the lefties that feel the need to deny it.

I live in the Northeast, voted leave, my two children are mixed race and I enjoy working side by side a team of drivers from every race and religion you can think of - where do I fit into your racist paradigm?

 

[Pickman's model]

I live in the Northeast, voted leave, my two children are mixed race and I enjoy working side by side a team of drivers from every race and religion you can think of - where do I fit into your racist paradigm?

how many thelemites do you work alongside? i doubt there are many yakuts in your team, and equally few yazidis

but working alongside people is no real defence against accusations of racism, nor is having mixed race children. a great number of men are married, doesn't innoculate them against misogyny.

 

[brogdale]

A masterful understatement. Bound to now be part of the leadership election. Mind you, it’s been going on so long people have stopped paying any attention to it

Yeah, I'm sure that the candidates will be asked about this case, but in the broader picture it doesn't have the potency of AS; if anything it does show them taking some action and has the potential to (re)shine a light on tory islamophobia.

 

[brogdale]

Crick tweets that Starmer is Philip's MP.

 

[Mr Moose]

Yeah, I'm sure that the candidates will be asked about this case, but in the broader picture it doesn't have the potency of AS; if anything it does show them taking some action and has the potential to (re)shine a light on tory islamophobia.

Labour won’t do well out of this. If anything it will simply refocus the press on the lack of equivalent action about antisemitism.

But that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the wrong thing to do. If you took many of Phillip’s quoted comments and substituted ‘Black’ or ‘Jewish’ they would be offensive. So let the charges be heard.

 

[brogdale]

Labour won’t do well out of this. If anything it will simply refocus the press on the lack of equivalent action about antisemitism.

But that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the wrong thing to do. If you took many of Phillip’s quoted comments and substituted ‘Black’ or ‘Jewish’ they would be offensive. So let the charges be heard.

Was quite surprised to learn that Philips was a member of the LP, tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Was quite surprised to learn that Philips was a member of the LP, tbh.

i thought he'd died some years back so was very surprised to hear of this

 

[Mr Moose]

i thought he'd died some years back so was very surprised to hear of this

Did you think he died alone, a long, long time ago?

 

[Pickman's model]

Did you think he died alone, a long, long time ago?

while eating a galaxy far far away

 

[B.I.G]

I live in the Northeast, voted leave, my two children are mixed race and I enjoy working side by side a team of drivers from every race and religion you can think of - where do I fit into your racist paradigm?

You are the biggest of racists. I can’t be as racist as you. My best friend is black.

 

[brogdale]

Plymouth?

 

[Marty1]

You are the biggest of racists. I can’t be as racist as you. My best friend is black.

What a lost soul you are.

 

[B.I.G]

What a lost soul you are.

I’m a lost soul? You used your children as a shield for your own racism. That’s low.

You really believe racists don’t have sex with someone of a different skin colour to them?

 

[Marty1]

I’m a lost soul? You used your children as a shield for your own racism. That’s low.

You really believe racists don’t have sex with someone of a different skin colour to them?

So by your reasoning people who voted leave are all racists, more so if they live outside of London?

What about say, mixed race, black people etc who voted leave - also racists, yes?

 

[B.I.G]

So by your reasoning people who voted leave are all racists, more so if they live outside of London?

What about say, mixed race, black people etc who voted leave - also racists, yes?

If a black person hates Asian people, white people, people they don’t think have the right to live in the country. They are a racist.

You are a racist because a couple of pints in you’d be talking about how there are too many foreigns, they are taking your jobs, or they are all on benefits, Or they don’t want to integrate like your mate Keith in the bookies.

Just own it. You are full of hate and the main benefit of brexit for you will be that less foreigners will be allowed in the country. Have some courage.

You voted brexit to reduce immigration?