Who will be the next Labour leader?

[Smokeandsteam]

Championing islamophobia is pretty bad though

How has he championed Islamaphobia?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Black cab drivers in London are definitely amongst the most racist of all groups.

I’m not sure I said what you say I said so I’m going to leave it there

Have you seen the film Parasite BIG? If so what did you think of the dynamic between the driver and the homeowner? Did any of it resonate with you?

 

[B.I.G]

Have you seen the film Parasite BIG? If so what did you think of the dynamic between the driver and the homeowner? Did any of it resonate with you?

I haven’t seen it. I don’t watch foreign language films as much anymore.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I'm not sure I said what you say I said so I’m going to leave it there

The London ones don’t seem as racist

Cheerio then bob

 

[B.I.G]

Cheerio then bob

I mean the people in London. Not just the “drivers”. Do you not think people are less racist in London than the rest of England.
But yeah Cheerio. Enjoy pretending things are the way you want them to be.

 

[brogdale]

Here's the Phillips story in case anyone wants to read it

Trevor Phillips suspended from Labour over Islamophobia allegations

Not sure if this is the thread for this, but I heard Philips interviewed on R4 this am and he appeared oddly ill-informed about the UK context for racist and religious hate crimes. He pretty solidly attempted to hide behind the old far-right trope that he couldn't have been racist because Muslims are not a race.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Do you not think people are less racist in London than the rest of England.

No. Why do you think people in london are less racist?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I haven’t seen it. I don’t watch foreign language films as much anymore.

You should watch it. I think you'll find it enlightening

 

[B.I.G]

No. Why do you think people in london are less racist?

I see the results not the reasons.

As a guess, I’d say more mixing between people.

 

[B.I.G]

You should watch it. I think you'll find it enlightening

I’m fine. Thank you.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Not sure if this is the thread for this, but I heard Philips interviewed on R4 this am and he appeared oddly ill-informed about the UK context for racist and religious hate crimes. He pretty solidly attempted to hide behind the old far-right trope that he couldn't have been racist because Muslims are not a race.

Agree that this shouldn't be on this thread, but I am struggling to see how Philips statement is a 'far right trope'. It's unfortunatethat you've made it look like he said 'Muslims are not a race' rather than the full context of what he actually said - which is his two heroes - Ali and Malcolm X - were proof that Islam is a pan racial religion.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I’m fine.

That's debatable

 

[andysays]

I haven’t seen it. I don’t watch foreign language films as much anymore.

Racist!!1!

 

[brogdale]

Agree that this shouldn't be on this thread, but I am struggling to see how Philips statement is a 'far right trope'. It's unfortunatethat you've made it look like he said 'Muslims are not a race' rather than the full context of what he actually said - which is his two heroes - Ali and Malcolm X - were proof that Islam is a pan racial religion.

Yeah, apols about shatting on this thread....but....must just say that (without going back to re-listen) I'm pretty sure that he did say just that; Muslims are not a race. Hence he couldn't have been racist/islamaphobic. Sounds like lame far-right excusing to me.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I see the results not the reasons.

As a guess, I’d say more mixing between people.

Fucking hell.

In what basis do you conclude people from london are less racist than people not from london?

 

[B.I.G]

Fucking hell.

In what basis do you conclude people from london are less racist than people not from london?

Speaking to people. Why don’t you try it since you don’t believe its true. Loads of people just voted to leave the EU to get rid of the foreigns and voted Tory to make sure it happens.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Btw the first place in UK to elect a BNP councillor was in london. The first place to have a BNP member on its regional/national assembly, also london. Is london more racist than rest of UK, probably no. Is it less racist, also probably no

 

[Proper Tidy]

Speaking to people. Why don’t you try it since you don’t believe its true. Loads of people just voted to leave the EU to get rid of the foreigns and voted Tory to make sure it happens.

Bit circular this.

I said you had come to conclusion that london was less racist because it voted remain.

You said no its more than that.

We've then fannied about for half a dozen posts while you pretend to be a builder before you've eventually confirmed that you have come to conclusion that london is less racist because it voted remain.

Dickhead.

 

[B.I.G]

Btw the first place in UK to elect a BNP councillor was on london. The first place to have a BNP member in its regional/national assembly, also london. Is london more racist than rest of UK, probably no. Is it less racist, also probably no

Was it in a working class area?

 

[B.I.G]

Bit circular this.

I said you had come to conclusion that london was less racist because it voted remain.

You said no its more than that.

We've then fannied about for half a dozen posts while you pretend to be a builder before you've eventually confirmed that you have come to conclusion that london is less racist because it voted remain.

Dickhead.

I never pretended to be a builder

 

[Proper Tidy]

Was it in a working class area?

Barnbrook was elected on the list. So no.

 

[B.I.G]

Barnbrook was elected on the list. So no.

Must have been all the middle class in London voting BNP then.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Yeah, apols about shatting on this thread....but....must just say that (without going back to re-listen) I'm pretty sure that he did say just that; Muslims are not a race. Hence he couldn't have been racist/islamaphobic. Sounds like lame far-right excusing to me.

The actual quote is on the link you shared.

The timing of this is abysmal.

The politics that have led to his suspension - and I say this as someone who doesn't like Philips Blairite politics or niche career as a 'commentator' - are rancid.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Speaking to people. Why don’t you try it since you don’t believe its true. Loads of people just voted to leave the EU to get rid of the foreigns and voted Tory to make sure it happens.

You remind me of a young George Orwell.

A bright man like yourself, out there, talking to the common man. Then forming your opinions based on that. We are lucky that you share the insights you've gained with us.

 

[B.I.G]

You remind me of a young George Orwell.

A bright man like yourself, out there, talking to the common man. Then forming your opinions based on that. We are lucky that you share the insights you've gained with us.

I should of course believe that everyone in England is just desperate to vote for left wing policies but keep slipping and voting Tory by accident.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Must have been all the middle class in London voting BNP then.

And there we have it

 

[Mr Moose]

Agree that this shouldn't be on this thread, but I am struggling to see how Philips statement is a 'far right trope'. It's unfortunatethat you've made it look like he said 'Muslims are not a race' rather than the full context of what he actually said - which is his two heroes - Ali and Malcolm X - were proof that Islam is a pan racial religion.

Interesting then that the concern is that he has problems with Muslims of a certain background, which would negate his ‘it’s not about race’ excuse.

The concern is generalising in a way he wouldn’t about other races and criminality. Let’s judge it on the evidence.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I should of course believe that everyone in England is just desperate to vote for left wing policies but keep slipping and voting Tory by accident.

Look seriously, go and read some books. Go and think about how politics, culture and hegemony is produced.

Read about the development of the English working class - start with EP Thompson and go from there.

Think as well about where your politics - the working class are shit racists and Tories - ends.

 

[brogdale]

The actual quote is on the link you shared.

The timing of this is abysmal.

The politics that have led to his suspension - and I say this as someone who doesn't like Philips Blairite politics or niche career as a 'commentator' - are rancid.

Link was from andysays , but yeah...that's what Philips said.
Accused of islamophobia he says he can't have been because the (APPG) definition adopted by the LP says that Islamophobia is rooted in racism and as the people he's been bad-mouthing in 'The Times' aren't a race, he can't be guilty.
Came across a a colossal cunt.

 

[B.I.G]

Look seriously, go and read some books. Go and think about how politics, culture and hegemony is produced.

Read about the development of the English working class - start with EP Thompson and go from there.

Think as well about where your politics - the working class are shit racists and Tories - ends.

Maybe read a few less books and understand that the working class prefer to vote for Thatcher, Blair, and Johnson than anyone you approve of.