Shechemite
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Btw Glassman was far more positive about Corbyn than many would now like to admit.
He is a ‘culturally conservative’ Jew after all
He is a ‘culturally conservative’ Jew after all
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Maybe these 'cultural liberals' you see lining up to support Nandy have forgotten that she was prepared to share a BL platform with Steven Woolfe?
Shechemite
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Maybe a group of often well-meaning but almost always deeply insulated university politics people would have no idea who Steven Woolfe is?
Happy to be corrected but I don’t see the young-Nandyites being up for defending Charedi faith schools
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Which rather suggests that attempting to define the ideological orientation of a candidate by the stripe of some of their supporters is not particularly reliable.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Who is attempting this? You brought up her appeal. Do you think understanding who she is appealing to has no value in understanding her trajectory? Or do you think it’s just old Maurice pulling the strings?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Shechemite
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Shechemite
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Arsed
Was he? Not doubting you but he advised May (well Nick Timothy) in run up to '17 election hence all that workers manifesto/tanks on labour's lawn nonsense for about five minutes until everybody realised what a bag of shit the manifesto was.
Re: Nandy and BL. I don't think Nandy has ever been BL, but she has won the support of that faction - I think cos of her grasp of brexit really (which I also think was the only issue over which Glasman/BL showed any warmth to corbyn & co until they fully capitulated to the larger posh liberal faction). It is hard to get to grips with exactly what Nandy's politics are but imo she's pretty bog standard soft left and would be an ed miliband - although of course was a fair bit of blue labour in his era
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Also I will lol if starmer wins and puts cooper on the front bench with the masonites and other 'lefts' of that ilk tied to the project. Fucking cooper.
Shechemite
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I wouldn’t have thought glassman did much to actually help Corbyn, but he’s never been an anti-Corbynist, and has been conciliatory over AS (Nandy has been far more ‘treacherous’ than Glasman).
Glasman is a smug fuck mind
Glasman is a smug fuck mind
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Does MG’s thing that the NHS was a ‘mistake’ have any reflection in Nandy’s politics? Or his praise for west Germany social democracy?
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Its only my impression of her but I don't think she's tied in with wider BL politics at all (which tbh is pretty wide anyway - glasman has his own weird politics and a crowd around him but other BL types can be quite different, just with a common trend of wanting to appeal to w/c base with left economics without the left culture stuff) and has been quite careful to keep at arms length. My view is they've swung in behind nandy because she's less of a dick on brexit and is from their view the best of the bunch
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Knew , as in used to see him in pubs/avoid like the plague/dont look him in the eye/but get stuck with him if he recognised you , Wolfe's father in the 80/90s absolute violent nutter with a rumoured interest in ahem younger men
Shechemite
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Glassman is some grumpy old Jewish dad who moans that he can’t make sexist jokes in his own home.
I doubt there’s many Glassman fans here
I doubt there’s many Glassman fans here
Shechemite
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think Nandy’s Interest in, connections with and some common ground with BL run a bit wider than and pre-date Brexit. After all the infamous BL conference ( to which Woolfe was invited, but in the end had to pull out of) was 2016.
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Yeah that was post referendum (also source for that screenshot is errr interesting).
I think she courted BL and they courted her and there is no doubt that the above is a shameful list to be on. Goodhart is a full on racist horrible cunt now, Liddle, Woolfe, Fox. Grim. Can't stand BL #2 rowenna davis either. But can't assume everybody on that is a BL supporter, eg nora mulready and rob ford are full on blairite ultras (mulready is a danger on her blair obsession, if I was him I'd be concerned) and not natural BL bedfellows
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Anyway who knows, maybe nandy is closer to blue labour glasman wing politically, it really is hard to tell with her, for the most natural communicator of the three she's the most coy/ambiguous on her actual politics. I still think she's really just a dreary soft left type.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I don’t really know if BL ever did/does have formal supporters/members,but as you say Nandy has courted them & some key BL players are embedded in her campaign team.
Screenshot was lifted fromSkwarkbox
I've no skin in the game. But Hell a plague on both their houses. That's terrible.
The parliamentary road to socialism aye. So grubby
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Yeah I knew where screenshot was from, I'd seen it on a google image search a bit earlier, that's what I meant.
Yeah fair enough, there obviously is cross over between nandy and BL
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Nandy does have that cringe-making
Cool Britannia/“I’m a straight talking normal person just like you” Blairism going on.
Cool Britannia/“I’m a straight talking normal person just like you” Blairism going on.
Shechemite
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Not even socialism, parliamentary road to left-liberalism/mild social democracy.
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