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Who lives in a van? Or wants to?

You are a Londoner, aren't you? Have you factored in Ulez? Van needs to be 2014-16 to be Ulez compliant if it is diesel.

Unless you have a filter fitted to make it compliant. I have a 1996 Toyota Hiace camper (diesel) and got a particulate filter fitted about 10 years ago when the LEZ came in. Anyone who still has an old diesel van in London has one. They're not cheap though, but they're much much cheaper than buy a new van.
 
Unless you have a filter fitted to make it compliant. I have a 1996 Toyota Hiace camper (diesel) and got a particulate filter fitted about 10 years ago when the LEZ came in. Anyone who still has an old diesel van in London has one. They're not cheap though, but they're much much cheaper than buy a new van.
Oh hello, I forgot you had a van! Does your filter cover you for the new Ulez rules i.e. Ultra Low Emissions?
 
These are my top two vans:

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PLus another £10k to convert. I really don't want to spend £30k so i'm trying to work out what my compromise will be. Maybe an Alphard would be big enough. I'm not planning to live in it, but I am planning long trips around Europe, so I do want something comfortable and reliable.

My best mate is a cabinet maker and thinks it is a silly idea, but if I buy a van and drive it to his workshop, I think he will help once it is in front of him.

If you want to carry bikes, you may want a 'race van' with a garage under a fixed bed at the back. There are endless debates about how long you can make widthways beds, but the Ducato/Master/Relay vans are wider than the Sprinter and Transit.

Quirkycampers is a good place for van porn.
What's the thinking on windows? Neither of your top two have them.
 
What's the thinking on windows? Neither of your top two have them.
Probably need 1 or 2 (one on each side), too many is less private and colder of course
And depends if you want a stealth van rather than an obvious camper/live in
 
Probably a silly question, but what are the disadvantages of getting a really big van? Like this ex -Police one? 3 litre Iveco diesel. I know what's it like driving them, have had several jobs doing it. Does the size stop you from taking it to places that smaller vans can go?
100,000 miles, £8k. 2008 Iveco Daily XLWB COMBI-CREW-CAMPER CONVERSION Van Diesel Manual | eBay

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I drive an XLB hi-top Iveco, and the biggest thing to watch out for is those height bars in car parks!

There is a railway bridge near where I used to live that is 3.2m high, and I can hear an aerial scrape when I go under it... :eek:

My fucking enormous bus, earlier.

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(btw, I say "my"...the former Mrs E, it turns out, had designs on exporting it to France when she went. Until she spoke to a few People In The Know who explained some of the many and varied aspects of French bureaucracy that she might be able to learn and love if she did so...at which point it became MINE, muahahaha)

Just got to get it MOT'd and back to Lovely Laugharne.
 
Unless you have a filter fitted to make it compliant. I have a 1996 Toyota Hiace camper (diesel) and got a particulate filter fitted about 10 years ago when the LEZ came in. Anyone who still has an old diesel van in London has one. They're not cheap though, but they're much much cheaper than buy a new van.
Sounds good. How much did it cost? And how do you find out which vehicles can have a PF? I looked on the ULEZ approved list...these are all the vans I could see https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/wp...RAS-Approved-Devices-Open-List-Version-30.pdf

  • VW T5 Transporter with 1968cc 62kW – 103kW Euro 5 engine (including Campervan and Shuttle variants)
  • Renault Master with 2299cc 74kW – 120kW Euro 5 engine (including minibus variants)
  • Vauxhall/Opel Movano with 2299cc 74kW – 120kW Euro 5 engine (including minibus and motorhome variants)
  • Nissan NV400 with 2299ccc 74kW – 120kW Euro 5 engine (including minibus and motorhome variants)
  • Mercedes Benz Vito with 2143cc 65-165kW Euro 5 engine (including minibus and motorhome variants)
  • Mercedes Benz Viano with 2143cc 65-165kW Euro 5 engine (including minibus and motorhome variants)
  • Land Rover Defender 90, 110, 130 model year 2012 -2015 with Ford DT224 (Puma) 2198cc Euro 5 engine
 
Do you really need something that big? My Bongo was 4.5 metres, the Toyota is 5m. I reckon a MWB Sprinter or Transit is big enough for me, with an awning for longer stays. That one above will be murder on the narrow roads in Cornwall, also 3L is going to be thirsty.

My problem is that I want it to be ulez compliant and automatic which looks like it is going to be close to £20k and I can't bring myself to spent that much on a van.

You are a Londoner, aren't you? Have you factored in Ulez? Van needs to be 2014-16 to be Ulez compliant if it is diesel.
Yes my van is not Ulez or even lez compliant, which means that I would have to get a coach or train if I was going to London. However with the pandemic I would have to hire a vehicle.
 
Unless you have a filter fitted to make it compliant. I have a 1996 Toyota Hiace camper (diesel) and got a particulate filter fitted about 10 years ago when the LEZ came in. Anyone who still has an old diesel van in London has one. They're not cheap though, but they're much much cheaper than buy a new van.
Wow! I didn't know about this
I'm going to have to get one fitted. :oops:
 
I drive an XLB hi-top Iveco, and the biggest thing to watch out for is those height bars in car parks!

There is a railway bridge near where I used to live that is 3.2m high, and I can hear an aerial scrape when I go under it... :eek:

My fucking enormous bus, earlier.

(btw, I say "my"...the former Mrs E, it turns out, had designs on exporting it to France when she went. Until she spoke to a few People In The Know who explained some of the many and varied aspects of French bureaucracy that she might be able to learn and love if she did so...at which point it became MINE, muahahaha)

Just got to get it MOT'd and back to Lovely Laugharne.
Ooh, I wondered what happend to that, glad you still have it.
 
Sounds good. How much did it cost? And how do you find out which vehicles can have a PF? I looked on the ULEZ approved list...these are all the vans I could see https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/wp...RAS-Approved-Devices-Open-List-Version-30.pdf
It was 2k :(. Still, no way I could have afforded to replace the van with one that was LEZ compliant, that would have costed 30k or something. Haven't got access to those kinds of funds!

I don't think you need to be too concerned about lists of approved vehicles. You can fit a particulate filter to any diesel vehicle. As long as it passes the emissions tests, you're sorted.
 
The mad thing is, I live literally a 5 min walk INSIDE the boundary of the ULEZ zone. I never drive around London in the van anyway. I only use it to get the hell out! :D
 
Ooh, I wondered what happend to that, glad you still have it.
It's coming to live in Laugharne! Probably in the church car park, until I can organise more secure storage (some obliging farmer's yard, for example). It has an electrical (leisure end) problem since some welding work was done, and I want to fit a solar panel and charge controller to keep the leisure battery topped up, and I have all the bits to put a heat exchanger into the engine bay so as to heat my hot water with waste engine heat, so that'll need doing too.

It's bonkers, really - for all its size, it's a 2-berth, and that's a double, so I am somewhat restricted in my choice of camping companions. My neighbour's just got a bongo, and I made all the right appreciative noises, but was thinking "nah, bit too spartan for me..." :D He loves it, though, but then he's 30, not 57.
 
A surprising number of posters seem to drive around in these monster vans. They should be outed on the SUV thread.
Perhaps one way of looking at it might be that the environmental cost of building a vehicle represents a substantial proportion of its carbon footprint over its lifetime. The economics of camper vans are such that it pays to keep older vehicles on the road for a lot longer (there's a fair few 1980s-registered motorhomes still going strong), which means we're getting more benefit from that initial carbon cost than if the thing had been scrapped at 10 or 12 years, as it would if it were "just a van".

Furthermore, camper vans don't generally do huge annual mileages, so they're not contributing that much to emissions there. It's good to see you playing to your strengths, but I think you'll find it much easier to make a case for fomenting moral outrage about SUVs than about the far smaller overall impact of people owning camper vans. Word to the wise taps nose :)
 
I couldn’t do van life full time. I’ve been a narrowboat dweller since 2006, but this is even less space and that would be one of many issues for me. Have friends who are about 6 years in - lwb Merc, but they don’t have a burner for stealth reasons. I find their living conditions freezing and extremely cramped. Much harder than my home life, especially if you wild camp and camp sites are expensive. I can moor in plenty of places free of charge and water taps and bins etc are all provided. Where its not free (eg Thames) its not as pricey as a campsite. My friends struggle with basics like this when wild camping. Theres also the weight issue - I can stuff our boat silly with crap if I want and all I need do is make sure I distribute it evenly. We have a similar Instagram/socials thing going on with boats now, that spun off from the van lifers, they’re giving a rose tinted impression of what it’s really like. As a friend of ours says sarcastically, ‘like being on holiday ALL of the time.’
 
Perhaps one way of looking at it might be that the environmental cost of building a vehicle represents a substantial proportion of its carbon footprint over its lifetime. The economics of camper vans are such that it pays to keep older vehicles on the road for a lot longer (there's a fair few 1980s-registered motorhomes still going strong), which means we're getting more benefit from that initial carbon cost than if the thing had been scrapped at 10 or 12 years, as it would if it were "just a van".

Furthermore, camper vans don't generally do huge annual mileages, so they're not contributing that much to emissions there. It's good to see you playing to your strengths, but I think you'll find it much easier to make a case for fomenting moral outrage about SUVs than about the far smaller overall impact of people owning camper vans. Word to the wise taps nose :)
Folk remain stubbornly wedded to the idea that the only problems are to do with emissions and carbon footprints.
 
Ah, what I meant to say is that I live a 5 min walk from what the ULEZ boundary will be in October. At the moment, I'm not in it.
 
No chance for permanent living, would feel too insecure and vulnerable. Mrs Doodler has her heart set on a Mazda Bongo camping van but that'd be for holidays, long weekends.
 
It was 2k :(. Still, no way I could have afforded to replace the van with one that was LEZ compliant, that would have costed 30k or something. Haven't got access to those kinds of funds!

I don't think you need to be too concerned about lists of approved vehicles. You can fit a particulate filter to any diesel vehicle. As long as it passes the emissions tests, you're sorted.
Do they mention a test on the Tfl site? Vans, minibuses and more I've read it umpteen times and I can't find it. It links to the CVRAS site Clean Vehicle Retrofit Accreditation Scheme - Energy Saving Trust and I've also read that until I'm cross-eyed. Maybe the page is just wrong? Is there another authoritative source you could recommend?
 
Maybe not helpful to your current quest.
But I found this article interesting about life as a Nomad in the States.
That's a great find, thank you! It's a lot like my plan, because I would try to wander where the warm weather is. Maybe Sicily or even the Canaries in the winter? I haven't researched this, I'm just daydreaming. But I don't want to be parked up for any length of time in the UK in the cold. On the other hand, best laid plans etc....there are bound to be times when I have to hurry 'home' to deal with life.
 
Do they mention a test on the Tfl site? Vans, minibuses and more I've read it umpteen times and I can't find it. It links to the CVRAS site Clean Vehicle Retrofit Accreditation Scheme - Energy Saving Trust and I've also read that until I'm cross-eyed. Maybe the page is just wrong? Is there another authoritative source you could recommend?
Hi David!
Yes, but they don't tell you that it applies to vans, camper vans etc.


Every year I get what's called a Low Emissions Certificate, which I get from a garage I go to get the test at in Croydon. This tests the levels of pollutants in the van's exhaust, which come through the particulate filter. It's a TFL certificate.
 
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