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What stupid shit has Trump done today?

Isnt that it ? Muellers jobs done ....case proven ..?

It certainly helps. There is the notion that this is once again Trump getting out in front of an inevitable revelation, as Guliani quite possibly did earlier in the week with the whole "collusion is not a crime" meme (whereas "conspiracy" is, of course)
 
Donald Trump is twisting himself in knots trying to explain the Trump Tower meeting - CNNPolitics

Back to the fun and games of this lovely piece.
From adoption to an admission Trump knew the reason for the meeting - when the merry fuck will the idiot republican that are protecting Trump wake up and finally admit to themselves their man is a Russian agent?
Seriously, the lot of them are beyond idiotic but, and this is worse, the voters will carry on voting them into power even after the sit finally hits the fan.
 
Mid terms coming up.
The Democrats have to increase by 6 seats in the senate to gain control, but need to improve by 44 and preferably win the 6 empty seats to ensure the same in Congress.
Out of 35 Senate seats up for grabs, the Democrats already hold 23, so that`s a tough one to win.

Let`s hope enough voters cast their ballot with their brains rather than trump inspired idiocy.
 
Many are fed up with this endless obsession with Russia and I don't blame them. If Trump is to be defeated it will have to be from the left, on policy, not just harping on about Russia and hoping that he will be impeached (or voted out over Russiagate)- ain't gonna happen. It's not hard to defeat Trump on policy etc, there is much wrong there and it shouldn't be hard to reveal him as the pro-establishment conman and authoritarian he really is.

And the fact is, as Noam Chomsky has pointed out, that Russia are not the only nation interfering in the politics of other countries, just look at the dodgy (and far more significant) goings on between Israel and the US (as pointed out by Chomsky) and Saudi Arabia-US (bribes for weapons deals etc)

With this hawkish obsession with Russia, which will only escalate tensions, the Democrats are squandering their chances of electoral success and possibly pushing us into a war.
 
Donald Trump is twisting himself in knots trying to explain the Trump Tower meeting - CNNPolitics

Back to the fun and games of this lovely piece.
From adoption to an admission Trump knew the reason for the meeting - when the merry fuck will the idiot republican that are protecting Trump wake up and finally admit to themselves their man is a Russian agent?
Seriously, the lot of them are beyond idiotic but, and this is worse, the voters will carry on voting them into power even after the sit finally hits the fan.

Some of them are pivoting to saying it's ok if he's a Russian agent of influence anyway.
 
And the fact is, as Noam Chomsky has pointed out, that Russia are not the only nation interfering in the politics of other countries, just look at the dodgy (and far more significant) goings on between Israel and the US (as pointed out by Chomsky) and Saudi Arabia-US (bribes for weapons deals etc)

Well we're in 2 wrongs don't make a right territory at the very least here.

And you can't exactly expect Democrats or anyone else to just let it slide, sure there's a balance to be made but the system of checks and balances has to do its work too, because it's integral to the republic and constitution which (whether we like those things or) is under something of an existential attack.

And this isn't just about Russia per se but gargantuan corruption, money laundering etc. Those are important things to oppose, as doubtless Chomsky does.

Are the Democrats useless in not advancing a solid program? yes, but the advances of people more to the left in the party is a hopeful sign.
 
Some of them are pivoting to saying it's ok if he's a Russian agent of influence anyway.

I can easily believe they're that stupid - really, I can.
Let's be direct, they've been idiotic enough to support him through everything else so that would hardly shock me if it were true
 
Many are fed up with this endless obsession with Russia and I don't blame them. If Trump is to be defeated it will have to be from the left, on policy, not just harping on about Russia and hoping that he will be impeached (or voted out over Russiagate)- ain't gonna happen. It's not hard to defeat Trump on policy etc, there is much wrong there and it shouldn't be hard to reveal him as the pro-establishment conman and authoritarian he really is.

And the fact is, as Noam Chomsky has pointed out, that Russia are not the only nation interfering in the politics of other countries, just look at the dodgy (and far more significant) goings on between Israel and the US (as pointed out by Chomsky) and Saudi Arabia-US (bribes for weapons deals etc)

With this hawkish obsession with Russia, which will only escalate tensions, the Democrats are squandering their chances of electoral success and possibly pushing us into a war.

No, there is no "hawkish obsession with Russia" among Democrats, except in the fevered minds of people on the far left and far right in American politics.

It's about the integrity of the forthcoming elections - something else that the fevered minds don't seem to care much about.

Just to sum up:

- There is evidence that agents acting on behalf of the Russian government intervened in the 2016 elections. I won't go into the "how" as it's well documented.
- There is already evidence of similar tampering happening even in the primary elections in the run up to 2018.
- Very few measures have been put in place to fix the vulnerabilities that were there in 2016.
- The US Supreme Court and Congress have green lighted other measures likely to reduce the number of people with left leaning views being allowed to vote.
- The US Congress voted against funding to secure the integrity of the 2018 elections against tampering, hacking, faulty machinery, etc.

It doesn't matter whether barriers to a free and fair vote are being put up by agents of the Russian Government, GOP appointees to the Supreme Court or Republican congressmen and women. What matters is the chances of anything like a free, fair, democratic vote are slim.

You think that's nothing to worry about and people should stop complaining about it. Right.

Sure, the US, UK and most colonial powers have intervened in other countries elections. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because little Johnny down the street is doing it doesn't mean it's okay for you to. I know a lot of folks are enjoying the spectacle of America getting the comeuppence they think it deserves, but the blow back will fuck the whole world - including them.

So, in addition to evidence of intervention by agents of a foreign power, we also have:

- Evidence of ballot irregularities in key districts in 2016 (e.g. Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.)
- Gutting of the Voting Rights Act and resulting reductions in access to voting (e.g. closed polling stations, reduced voting hours, restrictions on registration, etc.)
- Noted problems with unreliability of technology and security of voting machines.
- "Purges" of voter roles happening just before polling day, resulting in people who believed they were registered being denied ballots

Folks with the fevered minds seem hell bent on either denying that any of the above is happening, or insisting it doesn't matter to the outcome.

Republicans have to deny that the electoral system was bent in their favour. Otherwise, it brings into question the legitimacy of Trump's presidency and that of every GOP politician that took or returned to office following the 2016 elections, local, state and national. They don't want to open that can of worms. They want to bury it under six feet of concrete. They also want to keep any advantage it will give them next time round. Some Trump supporters have even come out and said they don't care if a foreign country intervened, or there was cheating in any other way, so long as they got Trump.

Maybe it's same for folks on or to the left of the Democratic Party. They have to paint the Democratic Party as an abject failure, and Democratic voters as incapable of informed choice in order to legitimise the candidates they back. Accepting Democrats from county halls to the White House may have lost due to electoral corruption of any kind undermines their narrative. You'd think parroting Trump/GOP talking points would leave a bad taste in their mouths, but they seem to savour it, so . . .

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Axios

Axios is no more or less shit than any other independent news source.

If Axios were run by the Democratic Party, or prominent members thereof, you might have a point.

It's not. You don't.

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No surprises here.

Layoffs from Trump tariffs are piling up. So are calls for more bailouts.

Trump has repeatedly said he would protect American farmers in the trade war, last week setting aside $12 billion to help them, but he is facing pressure to extend aid to other industries if the tariffs remain in place or get extended to more products.

Extending those bailouts would be an expensive proposition. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce on Monday estimated the total price tag could hit $39 billion if Trump compensated the losses across all industries. It would take $7.6 billion to help car and automobile parts manufacturers alone, the Chamber said, calling it a “slippery slope” for Trump to determine who gets help and who doesn’t. The Chamber has been a vocal critic of the tariffs.

Critics of Trump’s trade policy are calling on him to de-escalate the trade war rather than try to bail out the businesses hurt by it. But if the trade fight continues and the midterm elections draw near, the White House stands to face pressure, including from Republicans, to extend more government aid.
 
No, there is no "hawkish obsession with Russia" among Democrats, except in the fevered minds of people on the far left and far right in American politics.

Don't pretend like you care anything about the veracity of sources, yesterday you were posting a tweet about an anonymous craiglist post being proof that Trump rally attendees were 'paid protesters'. The idea that you aren't obsessed with Russia is incredible, you've told us before that Trump is a Kremlin sleeper agent before.
 
Don't pretend like you care anything about the veracity of sources, yesterday you were posting a tweet about an anonymous craiglist post being proof that Trump rally attendees were 'paid protesters'. The idea that you aren't obsessed with Russia is incredible, you've told us before that Trump is a Kremlin sleeper agent before.
...and that russia is a socialist state. So it's classic reds under the bed, inverted anti-semitism/soros stuff. It's really quite astonishing how quickly it happened as well.
 
Well, Trump does seem to be a Russian agent, something that's probably quite important to be aware of.
I don't think russian agent is the correct description. Trump has many dodgy relationships with many governments around the world, not just russia. Anyway, I've seen no convincing evidence of russian hacking for example. I'm not saying that the entire Mueller investigation is redundant (there is clearly corruption there that needs to be exposed) but the obsession with russiagate isn't going to get the american left anywhere, not that neo-liberal Democrats care ofcourse, they still seem to think that Hilary was the right candidate to defeat Trump and tend to be the same people obsessed with russiagate- ofcourse, they would be, they rigged the DNC primaries which they say was revealed by russia- again theres no evidence for that and even if there was, Hilary's side has dodgy links to russia aswell, and Ukraine.

At the end of the day, even if russia was involved in revealing DNC corruption (and there is no evidence for that)- I'm glad that info was made public, the neo-liberal Democrat side was upto similar shit with Ukraine and the public have a right to know about neo-liberal corruption (DNC rigging) by the Democratic Party establishment.

And at the end of the day, Trump and the GOP can easily be defeated on policy, not with russiagate. Constantly going on about russiagate instead of where Trump can be defeated (policy) is a missed opportunity for the american left. Why not just do what fucking works?
 
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Looks like just an inversion of a similar argument made by right-wingers about paid protesters using craiglist adverts as 'evidence'. See https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/soros-paid-march-for-our-lives-protesters/

Appropriate enough that CRI would fall for this since their posts are basically a Clintonite equivalent of the sort of Glenn Beck style paranoid style conspiracy nonsense.
I'll probably end up eating my words but I don't think the deranged fantasy of an all out bloodbath can be topped.

cri said:
Maybe that means there will be a Civil War in the US in the near future. In my book, that is still a better option than fruitless efforts to reason with them or seek "bipartisan solutions," which just means capitulating their demands and allowing them to continue their pursuit of an authoritarian state unchecked. Nope.

What happened to the person that spent the entirety of the Obama years on here spamming the bandwidth thread with 20000 memes and posting subjectively amusing pics of guinea pigs in birthday hats.
 
I don't think russian agent is the correct description. Trump has many dodgy relationships with many governments around the world, not just russia. Anyway, I've seen no convincing evidence of russian hacking for example. I'm not saying that the entire Mueller investigation is redundant (there is clearly corruption there that needs to be exposed) but the obsession with russiagate isn't going to get the american left anywhere, not that neo-liberal Democrats care ofcourse, they still seem to think that Hilary was the right candidate to defeat Trump and tend to be the same people obsessed with russiagate- ofcourse, they would be, they rigged the DNC primaries which they say was revealed by russia- again theres no evidence for that and even if there was, Hilary's side has dodgy links to russia aswell, and Ukraine.

At the end of the day, even if russia was involved in revealing DNC corruption (and there is no evidence for that)- I'm glad that info was made public, the neo-liberal Democrat side was upto similar shit with Ukraine and the public have a right to know about neo-liberal corruption (DNC rigging) by the Democratic Party establishment.

And at the end of the day, Trump and the GOP can easily be defeated on policy, not with russiagate. Constantly going on about russiagate instead of where Trump can be defeated (policy) is a missed opportunity for the american left. Why not just do what fucking works?

Nope to bothsiderism and trying to equate anything the Democratic Party or it's candidates have done with what the GOP has done and is still doing. Just nope.

People can multi-task. Why tackle the GOP on their fuckwit policies alone and let them off the hook for corruption and links, which are pretty fucking obvious with the Russian Government. There's far more to the evidence of connections between the Russian Government and the Republican Party, so it's not just about hacking the vote (although there's plenty evidence of dodgy results in crucial districts, but hey.)

Have you forgot about this lass already?

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You literally are spewing conspiracy theory here - and now into domestic politics. I hope if i ever reach that stage some kind soul would take me away and shoot me.
 
Nope to bothsiderism and trying to equate anything the Democratic Party or it's candidates have done with what the GOP has done and is still doing. Just nope.

Police militarisation didn't start with Trump. Both Democrat and Republican administrations have committed to deploying military forces abroad, including drone attacks with civilian casualties.

Children also got put in cages. You're in denial if you think that the gap between Dems and Repubs in practice is as great as you imply.
 
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