What Now for the BNP?
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Searchlight aren't "Zionist", unless you're one of those thick shitsacks who buys what the BNP retails. Cable is a Jew whose son chose to live in Israel and serve the usual "national service" period in the IDF. Big fucking deal. Cable was a member of the CP, and some thick cunts equate Jew with "communist", but I'm willing to bet you can't provide me with any credible proof that Searchlight is a "Zionist organisation", because there isn't any.
And, as many posters on this board know, I'm a Jew, an anti-Zionist and someone who'd cross the street to kick Lowles and Cable in the bollocks.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Fuck off with your "at the front at demos". In the rearguard hiding from the coppers and the aggro and shouting student slogans. Fucking Swappites going where Swappites always go, doing what Swappites always do.
audiotech
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With SWP meetings attacked recently your comments are not helpful VP. I would save energy and keep any rearranging of gonads to those that warrant it. Not other anti-fascists, who you clearly disagree with, but the senselessness of your approach is plainly daft. Try debate next time a meeting comes up.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
They're not meant to be. UAF aren't an aid to anti-fascism, they're a diversion from it. Children shouting slogans about "Nazis", and not addressing why there might be a turn to racism and nationalism.
Fine. You do what you feel you must, I'll do the same.
Right, don't kick people in the bollocks because they're anti-fascists, even if they're happy to turn on "their own" whenever it suits them. Just turn the other cheek. Your advice is noted.
I've tried debate often over the last 35 years, and it always gets you to the same place with the Swappites - nowhere. Same old posturing, same old tactics, same old whining about "solidarity" when they want physical force anti-fascists to protect them from getting their heads kicked in, same old knives in the backs of physical force anti-fascists after they've shown solidarity to the Swappites.
malatesta32
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wasnt there an incident in manchester when UAF handed over a militant antifascist to plod at an anti EDL demo? UAF work with plod and willingly get penned in at times. although it is possible to argue against their tactics im glad theyre there. the fash just see everyone as against them and it demoralises them. EDL tried attacking an SWP meeting the other day but were soundly rebuffed. the SWP wising up at last. searchlight = zionist = BNP nonsense. searchlight and plod is a far bigger concern.
SpineyNorman
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Unfortunately from what I've seen, away from demos and on the estates, the UAF actively hinder antifascism and help the BNP to look like the radical alternative and the only ones who give a shit about local concerns. The vote labour to stop the BNP/asylum seekers welcome here (when the people carrying the banner aren't from "here" and so have no right to say who is and isn't welcome)/anyone who mentions immigration is a racist stuff is incredibly counterproductive. I'm convinced that antifascism would be strengthened if the UAF either stuck to anti-EDL demos or just fucked off.
Red Storm
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Yeah they did
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
shameful case that. its up to antifascists to steer clear of them if thats the case. to be fair, its the only 1 ive heard of.
audiotech
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I ran with some good, militant anti-fascists and then SWP members, who would strike fear in both fascists and any grass. Sadly the main players at that time are now dead, one still alive and not kicking, after a heart attack. It's in their honour that I post what I do. All this internet 'bollock kicking' is again just senseless posturing.
audiotech
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Smith and Bennett (not a fan of either), both arrested at Bolton was it? How is that 'working with plod' pray tell?
audiotech
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Any details on that?
Red Storm
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audiotech
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There all chidren? pfft
Turn the other cheek? I didn't say that, but your advice is bound to work.
Was the sum total of your intervention 'kick them in the bollocks' by any chance?
audiotech
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So very little detail it turns out.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"They're", and don't put words in my mouth, there's a good chap.
No.
Got any more stupid, pointless questions you want to ask in order to try to paint yourself as less of an arse?
audiotech
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You are the one looking like an arse with your 'bollock kicking' routine.
Red Storm
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Not much else to tell. He's a leading Swappy and pointed us out within earshot to the police
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You mean when several UAF stewards at an anti-EDL protest in Leeds in 2009 actually blocked an Anarchist Federation member from returning to the lines of protesters, and then summoned the loitering OB over to arrest him?
Notice how unsurprised at the time a lot of activists were that Swappites would do such a thing? Wonder why that was? Perhaps because a lot of non-Swappite activists are clued-in on what Swappites will do.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yes dear.
audiotech
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You mean when several UAF stewards at an anti-EDL protest in Leeds in 2009 actually blocked an Anarchist Federation member from returning to the lines of protesters, and then summoned the loitering OB over to arrest him?
Notice how unsurprised at the time a lot of activists were that Swappites would do such a thing? Wonder why that was? Perhaps because a lot of non-Swappite activists are clued-in on what Swappites will do.
I was there that day and I dispute your account. Anything to back that up?
audiotech
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Fair enough Red Storm.
I think I might know the name of that individual, but tbh I don't want to put it on a public forum. There's enough shit-throwing going on between antifascists as it is.
On that note, UAF are still dire though.
audiotech
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Last time I looked espousing the idea that ignoring extreme, Islamic fundamentalists was tantamount to shooting oneself in the foot. It's more than likely the UAF was in mind when this was put. I'm pretty certain that Muslims don't need any condescending trite from a member/supporter of a recruiting front for the SWP.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Besides the testimony of several AFEDers? No. But then you've nothing to back up your narrative except anecdote either, have you?
audiotech
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Besides the testimony of several AFEDers? No. But then you've nothing to back up your narrative except anecdote either, have you?
I avoided the pen. I recall someone pointing out who they thought was an EDL supporter? That wasn't confirmed on the day, but I myself noticed one, or two EDL supporters (said so on the t-shirt) walking towards the counter demo. I also remember the massed ranks of 'revolution', who looked intent on a suicide mission. They even bought along a bog standard red flare to draw attention to themselves.
Anyone who got wound up by Scoobydoo is a fucking idiot -it's obvious he is a fash pretending to be a UAF supporter to stir shit up.
The39thStep
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Certainly not true of the SWP in the 70s around ANL Mark 1. And whilst I have very little time for the SWPs present politics who do you think is at the front at anti EDL/BNP demos these days ?
malatesta32
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hey techy! bolton was a very noticable reversal in plod tactics and im not sure why they went so heavy manners on antifascists - altho i think it backfired onp lod if i recall. as for working with plod, on the demos we have been on UAF have often been willingly kettled, told to go where plod says and often ended up penned in elsewhere after a diverted march somewhere which has diluted the numbers on the streets who use blocking tactics etc. there are some exceptions where the majority of antifascists avoided plod and operated in a fairly autonomous manner tho too many to list just now!
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