What Now for the BNP?

[TremulousTetra]

Yes. The failure of the BNP to take advantage of favourable conditions does not imply that conditions all of a sudden aren't favourable for the far right to grow.

It is interesting though just how badly they seem to have botched their opportunities over the last three years. And the implosion of the BNP, with the subsequent rounds of demoralisation, fragmentation, bitterness and bickering may well have serious consequences in terms of limiting the ability of any other far right faction to take advantage of those same opportunities. Unfortunately for the far right you have to work with the human material you've got, and they really do attract a large proportion of incompetents, fantasists and oddballs, and there's likely to be less of a leavening of relatively serious and ambitious recruits in the near future.

Just because opportunities are there doesn't mean that there's anyone capable of taking them. Here in Ireland, for instance, at least in the South, we've been blessed by the low quality of our far rightists. There have been opportunities for them, but they are incapable of even getting a small, stable, group going, let alone holding public events or building public

support.so the failure of Fascists in the UK was down to the quality of Fascists in the UK?

Pretty much so

and the evidence for this assumption is,,,,,,,,,,,?

 

[The39thStep]

and the evidence for this assumption is,,,,,,,,,,,?

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/what-now-for-the-bnp.287021/page-14#post-11150176

I can add that both the far right and the far left got marginalised by Labour sweeping up the anti Coalition vote. in a few places like Salford the BNP vote not only held up but increased.

 

[malatesta32]

front have published their election results. 95% very poor indeed, GLA overall result 8,000 votes. so they wont be stepping into the vaccuum just yet then?

 

[malatesta32]

also as pointed out on shirtfront peter tierney/quiggins is very confrontational in his day to day antics. joey owens has been calling him an agent provocateur but he says that about everyone. but he may be right on this 1? are you out there googling yourself joey? or john the baptist as he is on shirtfront.

 

[TremulousTetra]

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/what-now-for-the-bnp.287021/page-14#post-11150176

I can add that both the far right and the far left got marginalised by Labour sweeping up the anti Coalition vote. in a few places like Salford the BNP vote not only held up but increased.

fair enough, but not a view I share.

I think if you look across Europe, there are fascists doing quite well,and those not so well. I doubt this is because the English are more stupid or less skilled than the French [for example]. I believe if you could transport the more skilled fascists in Europe to the UK to operate, their success would only be marginally better.

The history/tactics of anti-fascism in this country has created an albatross for any party with a fascist lineage. Whether these tactics will continue to work, we will see. However, it seems, on this occasion they have once again achieved their aim.

[I suppose an interesting case study would be, pointing to a country in Europe that has used the same antifascist tactics as in the UK, but where the fascists have become a much bigger political force.)

 

[The Black Hand]

Are you claiming there aren't loads of stories about you doing the rounds?
Yep, it's "pathetic" having a sense of humour and ribbing a self-important blow-hard, I agree.

Same old same old is not funny tho.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Same old same old is not funny tho.

Your words, not mine!

 

[The Black Hand]

Your words, not mine!

No they were very much your same old same old and those of the other ultra left around here.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No they were very much your same old same old and those of the other ultra left around here.

"Ultra left".
Got any more buzzwords you want to trot out? Care to throw a "praxis" in there?

 

[The Black Hand]

"Ultra left".
Got any more buzzwords you want to trot out? Care to throw a "praxis" in there?

Buzzwords? More like standard political vocabulary, unless, like you, you are making a limp effort at a political point.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Are you claiming there aren't loads of stories about you doing the rounds?



Yep, it's "pathetic" having a sense of humour and ribbing a self-important blow-hard, I agree.

it's amazing what the surgeons can do these days.

 

[past caring]

So when are you going under the knife?

 

[TremulousTetra]

So when are you going under the knife?

Ow! Very cutting.

 

[Red Storm]

"Ultra left".
Got any more buzzwords you want to trot out? Care to throw a "praxis" in there?

He aint shit unless he says paradigm.

 

[ViolentPanda]

He aint shit unless he says paradigm.

He ain't shit unless he misuses the word "paradigm".

 

[butchersapron]

This has just been put on the HnH blog - i'm just reporting it, not endorsing it:

An Irish newspaper will tomorrow publish allegations against BNP leader Nick Griffin that for legal reasons we cannot repeat in full.

The Sunday World, which has editions both in the North and the Republic of Ireland, has taken advantage of a British law which excludes Northern Ireland from UK law banning the reporting of allegations made by a witness in a court case.

Although the basis of the allegations levelled against Griffin have been well known to us at Hope Not Hate for a number of years and we have been forced to remain frustratingly silent, the graphic and full extent of the wide ranging allegations made in the article in Ireland may well shock even the most ardent of Griffin remaining admirers.

 

[Deareg]

This has just been put on the HnH blog - i'm just reporting it, not endorsing it:

I hate that fucking rag, but I will get a copy in the morning.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Has the story been published yet? Sounds intriguing.

 

[Deareg]

Has the story been published yet? Sounds intriguing.

Yeah,It made some interesting allegations which if proved to be true should have serious consequences for Griffin and the BNP.

 

[josef1878]

Something called south west nationalists blogspot has a scan of the article. You will not be surprised.

 

[JimW]

Villa in Italy? Seems a bit early for the Europa league fixtures to be out.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Here's a handy phrase that our favourite Cantabrigian cyclops might find useful whilst recruiting strapping young lads from 'neath the olive groves:

Prego, potete rimuovere la mia amianto? Grazie!

 

[scoobydoo]

Yes, they'll be back, the pool they fish in has become both broader and firmer on the issues the far-right feed off.

They will be crossing over to Britain first party etc.

 

[butchersapron]

Having now read the story, i'm a bit eh? How the hell can the minute details of the BNPs finances be brought up in a trial of bloke charged with blackmailing Griffin? He can say, sure i was after him because of this specific bit of money owed to me for printing, but how on earth can they bring in the entirety of BNP's accounts from throughout the 90s into it? The judge isn't going to allow that is s/he? I think they've got a bit carried away with the stuff they've heard from Sloan's legal representation.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Having now read the story, i'm a bit eh? How the hell can the minute details of the BNPs finances be brought up in a trial of bloke charged with blackmailing Griffin? He can say, sure i was after him because of this specific bit of money owed to me for printing, but how on earth can they bring in the entirety of BNP's accounts from throughout the 90s into it? The judge isn't going to allow that is s/he? I think they've got a bit carried away with the stuff they've heard from Sloan's legal representation.

This sounds very much like the usual Searchlight m.o. - frontload with allegations and promises of real treat, sell it to the papers/programmers on that basis, and then when the facts are sifted from the allegations, usually all that is left is 'what if's'. That last BNP 'expose' by the BBC was about the worst documentary ever commissioned.

 

[malatesta32]

joe, you obviously didnt see the doco on tommy robinson.

 

[claphamboy]

Having now read the story, i'm a bit eh? How the hell can the minute details of the BNPs finances be brought up in a trial of bloke charged with blackmailing Griffin? He can say, sure i was after him because of this specific bit of money owed to me for printing, but how on earth can they bring in the entirety of BNP's accounts from throughout the 90s into it? The judge isn't going to allow that is s/he? I think they've got a bit carried away with the stuff they've heard from Sloan's legal representation.

I think you could be right, although without knowing the details of the case and the defence it's difficult to tell, maybe, just maybe, the defence team have a trick up their sleeve that could allow such evidence to be brought forward - we can at least live in hope.

Court case starts 18th June, so not too long to wait.

 

[scoobydoo]

This sounds very much like the usual Searchlight m.o. - frontload with allegations and promises of real treat, sell it to the papers/programmers on that basis, and then when the facts are sifted from the allegations, usually all that is left is 'what if's'. That last BNP 'expose' by the BBC was about the worst documentary ever commissioned.

What can you expect from searchlight a zionist organisation. They do more harm than good. UAF is doing a better job.

 

[past caring]

I'm not sure that zionism quite explains the shitness of Searchlight's politics and method - perhaps you could elaborate?

Be interested to know on what basis you're bigging up UAF, too, while you're about it.

 

[malatesta32]

a semi-fair appraisal would be that searchlight grew out of genuine antifascist activity and included veterans from the CP and the 62 group etc and only later developed more links with SB etc. AFA split with searchlight (see beating the fascists) following the class war smears and the realisation that info on militant AFs as well as fascists was also being given to plod. the early searchlights are pretty much the only documentation of day to day anti/fascist activity and they stayed on it whilst others - SWP, militant, etc - thought that antifascism was unneccesary. just been through a bunch from the 1980s and they are pretty much the only source of info.