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You mean the national party broadcast?audiotech said:
What Now for the BNP?
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audiotech
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I viewed it on-line. It specifically dealt with the London elections coming up.
This is also while they have been said to have 'imploded'. There was a poll done last year? which showed over 50% would vore for a nationalist party if they renounced political violence, etc,
The39thStep
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They are not standing on a platform of back the Argies though are they ? Their line is the Falklands are British and the Govt should increase defence expenditure.
audiotech
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No need to state the obvious.
Their candidate from South America comes across as a liability on many levels, without including him volunteering to fight in the Falklands war on the side of a military dictatorship, i,e 'slave owner', apparently met with former SS members, ranting debating style and a "bloody foreigner" himself.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Liability in this case will be the BNPs profile rather than the candidate.
You could probably make similar accusations about some of the FN's candidates in France but that doesn't stop them being elected.
On the Falkland Islands question ,what was your position when the war was on and now?
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Breaking news: Mike Whitby the BNP Liverpool candidate has been arrested for electoral fraud.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Breaking news: Mike Whitby the BNP Liverpool candidate has been arrested for electoral fraud.
Looks like the Liverpool Echo has done a great job here...
He refused to open his door.
He couldn't even collect 30 signatures of support, you couldn't make it up, although he did, allegedly.
Shurely, suitable accommodation for a bird brain?
Just to complete the madness, he appears to be a fucking Freeman.
FULL STORY
ETA: Yep, the court demo was a Freeman fiasco, this BNP statement was posted on the David Icke forums:
http://forum.davidicke.com/archive/index.php/t-161125.html
Interesting little digression. I don't reckon Mike Whitby is the only BNP electoral candidate who's engaged in this sort of thing with dodgy nominations, however usually it doesn't result in prosecution because those candidates who are unable to even get the handful of locals to sign their nomination forms never stand a chance of actually winning their seats, and councils who are aware of it tend not to prosecute because they don't want to turn someone who's politically marginal into a martyr for the far-right, which could lead to them becoming more popular. The fact Liverpool council and the ECHO are persuing this shows they're more bothered by the far-right than most nothern Labour councils are by the BNP.
Red Storm
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I was surprised they bothered doing it too.
Salford BNP regularly commit electoral fraud by lying about where their candidates live yet nothing has come of it. Probably because they aint gonna win anyway!
Yeah Salford BNP was who I had in mind their nomination papers are a fucking joke, but the council won't do anything because they a) know they can never win and b) don't want to give them the publicity and ego boost that getting nicked would bring. The day they actually stand a chance of winning that'd be different, then they would, which is why the Liverpool guy getting done is interesting.
And it's not just Salford BNP mate you wanna see some of the blatant fraud that goes on in Yorkshire, or did rather as they don't seem to exist here any more, when it comes to nomination papers. Registering every single person in your branch at your address? That's routine.
claphamboy
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The Liverpool Echo made the complaint, leaving the police with no choice but to act.
Don't expect councils to complain, they are generally useless twats, make the complaint yourself or get your local rag to do it.
Don't expect councils to complain, they are generally useless twats, make the complaint yourself or get your local rag to do it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Is there a chance of that liverpool guy winning then?
claphamboy
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Didn't the English Democrats get one of theirs to be Mayor of Doncaster one year?
If a fash party (not that the BNP is really fascist these days but anyway) got someone elected as mayor what would be the response from the council etc? Would they actually try and depose them?
If a fash party (not that the BNP is really fascist these days but anyway) got someone elected as mayor what would be the response from the council etc? Would they actually try and depose them?
The Mayor of Donny is an English Democrat yes.
audiotech
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Paul Cromie of Bradford BNP was under investigation by legal officers, after it came to light that he gave Xmas cards, each containing £5 "gifts", to 210 pensioners in a sheltered housing scheme.
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/576/pensioners-appalled-at-bnp-councillor
No I don't think there is, however i think the Labour council in Liverpool are more aware of the threat the far-right poses than your average nothern Labour council just because of how active fascist groups have been. Then of course you have the fact that the BNP tried having their annual conference in the city this year, which clearly pissed off the bigwigs in the council. That might be why this is has come about, whereas the dozens of other accounts of BNP electoral fraud are ignored.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
As a hypothetical situation, what would happen if the BNP or another fash party, say the NF, got control of a council? Assuming they made cuts, didnt set "needs budgets" etc and generally followed the cuts programme would the government / the county councillors try to get rid of them? The FN etc have controlled a few councils havent they?
It's really hard to say because the BNP are a different thing to the Front National. The FN are at least competent, which is something that couldn't be said for the BNP or NF in this country. You also have to remember that local government in this country is incredibly weak when compared to other parts of Europe, central government has a great deal of control over what is permittable at local council level. My belief is that if the BNP ever did win a council, and Stoke and Dagenham and Barking nearly ended up with BNP councils not too very long ago, that the absolute incompetence of the BNP would lead to the council being suspended and taken over by central government very quickly indeed, even if they did follow the cuts programme. The Tories would have no problem doing this, historically centre-right parties have only gone into deals with fascists when Capital has been under serious threat from the left, it was this that led to all the big businesses in germany in the early part of the 1930's following the world depression to start funding the Nazi's, as they saw them as a bulwark against communism. No such communist or socialist threat exists today so I don't think that sort of arrangement would take place. Even in France the FN may be able to get a high vote, 18%, but they don't get 18% of the political funding available and they don't come close to matching the sort of big corporate donations that the UMP (Sarkozy's lot) can get. That matters a lot in bourgeois liberal democracy.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/...griffin-with-bnp-set-to-lose-all-their-seats/They have had a great couple of weeks
So I assume that we ALL now , at last recognise that the much vaunted, "unstoppable" rise of the BNP ....to mirror the success of the French NF - on the back of its shift from "march and build" street action into respectable local goverment oriented and parliamentary electoralism, now lies in complete ruins ?
As the many splinters from this failed strategy, including obviously the EDL, do increasingly engage in street provocations, marches, stunts, attacks on the Left and minority communitites, I hope there will be a lot less of the rubbishing of the role of anti fascist organisation in its many forms by some of the regular (often ironically ex RA) posters on here in future.
Your analysis was right for a period guys.. but now history and politics, and REALITY, as ever, has moved on. I suggest you re-read the stuff about the unstoppable rise of the BNP posted at the start of this thread - and curl up with embarrassment !
This doesn't of course negate the need for the Left to engage with local communities at local level, - with SOCIALIST politics... but it certainly DOES also mean that in the immediate future the Left ALSO has to reconstruct its anti fascist structures and operational practices at local level too - or be driven off the streets and meeting places by renewed fascist direct action.. in fact it's already started - as reports on Urban clearly show.
As the many splinters from this failed strategy, including obviously the EDL, do increasingly engage in street provocations, marches, stunts, attacks on the Left and minority communitites, I hope there will be a lot less of the rubbishing of the role of anti fascist organisation in its many forms by some of the regular (often ironically ex RA) posters on here in future.
Your analysis was right for a period guys.. but now history and politics, and REALITY, as ever, has moved on. I suggest you re-read the stuff about the unstoppable rise of the BNP posted at the start of this thread - and curl up with embarrassment !
This doesn't of course negate the need for the Left to engage with local communities at local level, - with SOCIALIST politics... but it certainly DOES also mean that in the immediate future the Left ALSO has to reconstruct its anti fascist structures and operational practices at local level too - or be driven off the streets and meeting places by renewed fascist direct action.. in fact it's already started - as reports on Urban clearly show.
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