What Now for the BNP?

[malatesta32]

mind you seeing this ...

 

[butchersapron]

Apparantly about sixty or so BNP members turned up mainly North West including Liverpool but also from Yorkshire and North East. Quite a shrewd if belated move from Griffin , the BNP have seen that the EDL membership is up for grabs and that politically the EDL aren't developing. He said that the BNP would be at the forefront of the grooming protests , against Mosques and extremism and they will have high hopes of delivering that now. Not only makes them visible but if they win some political hegemony; financially more viable with the potential to work on that protest vote for the Euro elections.

Could be some potential over the next months with more of these trials and investigations likely as Councils and Police implement the
Tackling Child Sexual Exploitation Action Plans.

That's it in a nutshell. You're absolutely right in saying that it was a belated move - there were times over the last few years when this move could have taken place on the basis of the BNP's strength rather than weakness. Today it looks like they will need to allow the EDLs agenda to be the main driving force whilst they try and pick up people and influence - for now at least. Worth bearing in mind as well that many an initiative taken out of desperation has ended up being rather successful.

Other fronts, they are going to try and swing behind the march 7th fuel price protests - broadly in line with the social/class issues approach they've been trying to push recently.

 

[butchersapron]

Griffin offering to pay Robert Downes' court costs. There will be/already is significant ramping up between now and May on this particular front (at least as much as they can).

 

[The39thStep]

Griffin offering to pay Robert Downes' court costs. There will be/already is significant ramping up between now and May (at least as much as they can).

also opposing fracking and a new leaflet on Halal meat ( timely for the EDL recruitment?)

 

[butchersapron]

Griffin already trying to drive a wedge betwen the harder eld types and the goons by arguing no-one but the leaders signed up to be stage props for a 'pc party' - i.e the BFP. Pretty naked. He's either going to be told to take a walk, opening up a wider rift, or some saps will fall for it. BNP get what they want and move on.

 

[Casually Red]

oh dear: Griffin in my sex pest nazi hell expose!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...osed-glamour-model-car.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
apologies for the mail link! but is is rather interesting.

classy as ever

 

[butchersapron]

Last night in Goresbrook (Barking and Dagenham):

Lab 1113 (57.8; +14.2)
BNP 593 (30.8; +3.5)
UKIP 91 (4.7; +4.7)
Con 81 (4.2; -8.9)
LD Robert Graham Hills 48 (2.5; -6.8)
[Ind (0.0; -6.8)]
Majority 520
Turnout 25.57%

Who is the opposition in B&D?

 

[treelover]

Just watched the BNP mayoral candidate on DP, he came across as charming, well informed, far from bonkers, he is from Uruquay originally, though I wonder if he was part of the far right there,

 

[Joe Reilly]

Last night in Goresbrook (Barking and Dagenham):

Lab 1113 (57.8; +14.2)
BNP 593 (30.8; +3.5)
UKIP 91 (4.7; +4.7)
Con 81 (4.2; -8.9)
LD Robert Graham Hills 48 (2.5; -6.8)
[Ind (0.0; -6.8)]
Majority 520
Turnout 25.57%

Who is the opposition in B&D?

The BNP is claiming widespread postal fraud - alone they claim to have uncovered 120 dodgy postal votes - is there anyway this can be verified?

 

[articul8]

are they reporting it to the Electoral Commission?

 

[Red Storm]

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=28184

I can't believe the UAF/SWP are still using the 'don't vote for Nazis' line.

 

[The39thStep]

are they reporting it to the Electoral Commission?

They will hit the Council first.

We have seven BNP in our borough when we anticipated only two perhaps three, some new faces a which could be linked to the activity over the grooming cases in the North west or the racial assault in Oldham. they only got about 3% of the vote last time so not sure if this is more to do with building for the Euro elections. if they were canny enough they might want to put a candidate up for the GM police and Crime Commissioner in November but they might be wanting to see what Massey does after the Mayoral elections in Salford.

 

[Red Storm]

They will hit the Council first.

We have seven BNP in our borough when we anticipated only two perhaps three, some new faces a which could be linked to the activity over the grooming cases in the North west or the racial assault in Oldham. they only got about 3% of the vote last time so not sure if this is more to do with building for the Euro elections. if they were canny enough they might want to put a candidate up for the GM police and Crime Commissioner in November but they might be wanting to see what Massey does after the Mayoral elections in Salford.

Is your borough Stockport? I was surprised at the 7 candidates they've put up there. Never noticed them having much of a presence there.

 

[audiotech]

Who is the opposition in B&D?

With no seats on Barking and Dagenham council it's not the BNP.

 

[butchersapron]

With no seats on Barking and Dagenham council it's not the BNP.

I wasn't talking about the official council opposition. I was making a political point about what options people opposed to the council and the mainstream political parties have open to them and what (electoral) ones they are taking.

 

[audiotech]

Just watched the BNP mayoral candidate on DP, he came across as charming, well informed, far from bonkers, he is from Uruquay originally, though I wonder if he was part of the far right there,

This should go down well with voters:

I am Argentine East, in other words, Uruguayan by birth, and I feel very emotionally linked to Argentina. In 1982 I volunteered to go to the Falkland Islands”.

Apparently, he also 'owned slaves' and 'met SS officers' in South America.

More here:

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2008/05/daily-telegraph-part-deux.html

Here he is talking about "bloody immigrants" ("charming" fella). The irony eh? Comes across as a ranting loon in this:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/carlos-cortiglia-bnp-mayoral-candidate-jan-2012

 

[The39thStep]

Is your borough Stockport? I was surprised at the 7 candidates they've put up there. Never noticed them having much of a presence there.

They have had for years but without too much local footprint more as a result of the national profile. The unit/branch was originally built around Richard Chadfield a veteran of the far right for years but the Griffinites forced him out.( Big Nose will remember him)

They held their Nort West meetings at a social club in Offerton untill the Council took the club back and around four /five years ago they got nearly 30% in a parish council election. Some recent activity up in Woodley out of the race attack in Tameside but little connection with the local EDL who mainly export their activity to places outside of Stockport

Duncan Warner is haphazardly the main man now .An ex tory joined who has livened them up a bit. They are stalwart attenders at the RW&B .

Before Stockport Antifa start dressing up and getting red and black flags out they really haven't quite turned to grow and march tactics..........http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/stockport-“old-timers”-man-bnp-stalls-bring-our-boys-home

We have got a couple of local Nazis though , there is 'Kruger' and his missus up in Brinnington and a neighbour of theirs a cockney bloke but they fell out after an unfortunate episode of of 'amour' between Krugers misses and said cockney.

There is also a BM member over in Lancashire Hill and a B&H member in Bredbury

 

[The39thStep]

I wasn't talking about the official council opposition. I was making a political point about what options people opposed to the council and the mainstream political parties have open to them and what (electoral) ones they are taking.

Don't talk over his head

 

[audiotech]

Hahahahaha. On cue.

 

[articul8]

What's with the BNP candidate Carlos in the London mayorality saying "give your 2nd prefs to Livingstone"? Attempt to make a play for the disaffected Labour vote?

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, and an attempt to counter UKIP. Griffin is currently pushing the line that the BNP vote is a w/c vote as opposed to the old colonel vote of the UKIP - he knows damn well that this isn't the true picture of the UKIP vote but needs something to put the w/c vote off them.

 

[articul8]

It is part of the UKIP vote! The BNP mayoral candidacy is a bit of weird thing all round - a Uruguayian supporter of the Argie Junta? Not the most obvious pole of attraction. Suppose it's not impossible that BNP get a seat on the list. UKIP's rebranding as a "Fresh Start for London" is quite clever though.

 

[butchersapron]

It is part of the UKIP vote! The BNP mayoral candidacy is a bit of weird thing all round - a Uruguayian supporter of the Argie Junta? Not the most obvious pole of attraction. Suppose it's not impossible that BNP get a seat on the list. UKIP's rebranding as a "Fresh Start for London" is quite clever though.

Who said that it wasn't part of their vote? What it isn't is a large part of their core vote in london given their relative rarity in that location. Which is precisely why the BNP are seeking to spread the idea that it is. You know -politics.

 

[articul8]

I'd reckon there was a fair few old-colonel types on the periphery - Harrow, Bexley, Wandsworth these kind of places. Not enough to carry the day, granted.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Whether it's an indication of a political swing or not, the ballot paper for "London Members" in the local elections reads more worryingly than any previous one. Along with the usual Christian dingbats and indie loons, we've got the BNP, the NF, the English Democrats and (IIRC) UKIP (I've already filled my postal vote out and sent it back, hence the IIRC for UKIP).
First time, as far as I can recall, that there have been four obviously right-of-the-Tories parties contending for "top-up seats".

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

First time, as far as I can recall, that there have been four obviously right-of-the-Tories parties contending for "top-up seats".

Interesting, if there is a swing to the right from some quarters, it could be cancelled out electorally by splitting the vote too much despite the proportional nature of the election, however I would not be surprised to see UKIP getting some seats again if they keep their mouths shut.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Interesting, if there is a swing to the right from some quarters, it could be cancelled out electorally by splitting the vote too much despite the proportional nature of the election, however I would not be surprised to see UKIP getting some seats again if they keep their mouths shut.

Yep, while I'm reasonably sanguine that such a choice will inevitably split the hard-right vote, I'm not sanguine that UKIP are going to see the bottom fall out of their world: The whole anti-Europe/anti-immigrant/anti-claimant/anti-welfare schtick has too much of a history of playing well in some parts of London for them to do badly, especially when the "respectable classes" see them as merely being "more Tory than the Tories", rather than actively right-wing.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Interesting, if there is a swing to the right from some quarters, it could be cancelled out electorally by splitting the vote too much despite the proportional nature of the election, however I would not be surprised to see UKIP getting some seats again if they keep their mouths shut.

With the Lib Dems currently placed to return just 7 MP's in a general election it again demonstrates that the default postion of the move to the right being a move further to the right. The numbers of right of Tory parties alone demonstrate this.

It also exposes the shrill and dangerously mis-leading optimism of liberal anti-fascism which routinely conflates the internal problems within the BNP with loss of support for far-right ideas generally.

Not only is no evidence ever presented to show the public making any such connection, if the rash of race charges/accussations against the police, post riots, is anything to go by, the outlook is totally opposite.

 

[butchersapron]

Following the goresbrook result, they now also have their best opinion polling for some time - 6% in the midlands in yesterdays YouGov poll (pdf) - and that whilst UKIP also polled 10% in the same region.

 

[audiotech]

The BNP mayoral candidacy is a bit of weird thing all round - a Uruguayian supporter of the Argie Junta? Not the most obvious pole of attraction.

Completely airbrushed from the BNP election broadcast.