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What Now for the BNP?

The Black Hand said:
A) That basic premis is sooo basic its abstract, you generalise far too much, and do not specify anything, its totally divorced from economics and struggles/protest, and any real group.
B) That's a straw man, not found in the reality of any of my posts.
C) Again, more simplistic generalisations, shouldn't that read 'next to nothing should be done' rather than "something must be done" btw? I know that's not genorous, but it seems more realistic in the totality of the real political picture to me.
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Your posts would be fine, if they actually made any sense to anyone other than yourself. I think the above is what Orwell meant when he mentioned "political language" giving the appearance of solidity to pure wind.

It's a poor show when debate descends into theoretical and verbal gymnastics, rather than addressing the points with any substance.

Also, somewhat bizarre, you appear quite self-congratulatory when waffling about these theories of yours whilst making such basic errors as mis-spelling "premise" and "generous".

You're a strange chap, and I must say I'm quite bemused by the whole thing.
 
The Black Hand said:
Bollox Pickman, U and t'other ultra left nobs round here amount to nothing, serial underachievers, representative of nothing, that sees what it wants to see, that often organises nothing and certainly organises nothing ambitious, that tests nothing beyond the self referential gang backslapping and gangbanging. I do not need nor want your hot air, I've seen through it and many more have done and will too. I have far far better things to do than the Ultra lefties on U75 (and the limpcoks) there are.
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if that's the case, then

a) why do you bother posting here?

&

b) why did you bother replying to a post from two weeks ago?
 
a rare moment of clarity from BD forum. must get them to do a piece for 'malatesta blog.'
'I dont like Mark Collett. Not because ive ever met him but because of what he is. He is the problem with nationalism and whats held us back all these years. Not just him but many around him, Butler, Griffin, Dowson, Harrington, Barnes, Jefferson, Golding and many more all the way down to the bottom of the pile with the likes of Dalgliesh and Stafford. ALL these people are interested in one thing, themselves. They are the parasites that through their desire for greed, to self publicise, and to win one over on the other have destroyed what we once had. They are ALL to blame. Any comments on here are just me delighting in those getting just what they deserve ie me owning Collett on here, Butler getting a taste of his own medicine. We really have been lions led by sheep.
Why so bitter you ask? I put my whole life into the cause just to have it thrown back in my face. There is NO viable option for us now thanks to these ****. Heres a brief list of options:
1. Stay in the BNP. No thanks its just a very expensive and shrinking Griffin cult.
2. Follow Brons. He doesnt even know where he's going.
3. English Democrats. Butler and Collett? Same iceberg, different ship.
4. The party we cant mention. Interesting one. Stafford put me off this one initially with his constant ramming it down peoples throats but this partnership with the EDL is not built on solid ground. Barnes was a crackpot (and still is) and is still hugely influential on this.
5. The EDL. Whats the point of travelling miles to be herded away from sight. The BNP and NF were doing it for years and look what difference its made.
6. Freedom Democrats. Haha behave.
7. Britain First. A great idea that has been bastar dised by Dowsons desire for money and Goldings desire for a job title (along with Howson).
Nationalism has been run by egotists playing into the hands of our enemies for too long. Its about time that those of us who put the cause above ourselves tell the likes of Collett where to stick his leaflets!'
 
malatesta32 said:
a rare moment of clarity from BD forum. must get them to do a piece for 'malatesta blog.'
'I dont like Mark Collett. Not because ive ever met him but because of what he is. He is the problem with nationalism and whats held us back all these years. Not just him but many around him, Butler, Griffin, Dowson, Harrington, Barnes, Jefferson, Golding and many more all the way down to the bottom of the pile with the likes of Dalgliesh and Stafford. ALL these people are interested in one thing, themselves. They are the parasites that through their desire for greed, to self publicise, and to win one over on the other have destroyed what we once had. They are ALL to blame. Any comments on here are just me delighting in those getting just what they deserve ie me owning Collett on here, Butler getting a taste of his own medicine. We really have been lions led by sheep.
Why so bitter you ask? I put my whole life into the cause just to have it thrown back in my face. There is NO viable option for us now thanks to these ****. Heres a brief list of options:
1. Stay in the BNP. No thanks its just a very expensive and shrinking Griffin cult.
2. Follow Brons. He doesnt even know where he's going.
3. English Democrats. Butler and Collett? Same iceberg, different ship.
4. The party we cant mention. Interesting one. Stafford put me off this one initially with his constant ramming it down peoples throats but this partnership with the EDL is not built on solid ground. Barnes was a crackpot (and still is) and is still hugely influential on this.
5. The EDL. Whats the point of travelling miles to be herded away from sight. The BNP and NF were doing it for years and look what difference its made.
6. Freedom Democrats. Haha behave.
7. Britain First. A great idea that has been bastar dised by Dowsons desire for money and Goldings desire for a job title (along with Howson).
Nationalism has been run by egotists playing into the hands of our enemies for too long. Its about time that those of us who put the cause above ourselves tell the likes of Collett where to stick his leaflets!'
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Amazes me how people join Fascist groups and then complain about a lack of democracy, and its attempts to create Cults of Personality within the movement.
 
this is why so many join up and let their membership lapse. 1st they realise that the hardcore are nutters - imagine spending all night talking to someone like lecomber! - and that griffin is about as honest as nixon. complaining about fascist groups being authoritrian is like complainingthat drinking 10 beers makes you fall over. thats the point jimmy!
 
treelover said:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/thetford_community_worker_to_carry_olympic_flame_1_1175006

btw, he is one of those who is going to carry the olympic flame..

he is a L/P councillor, a community worker, etc, six years ago he was living in the woods, that is some achievement...

and yes, he is a tinfoiler...
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Where's the stuff about him being a tinfoil hat type?

To be fair to him, and reading past the shoddy writing in those articles, it does sound like he's done some decent community based stuff since getting away from the far-right. Whatever the limits he clearly has turned his life and ideas around and become a positive influence on his community.
 
the stuff he was saying about working for israeli secret services, plod, terror groups etc. i got the link from a nazo site and they were explaining what a fantasist he is. and if they think hes potty, he is!
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
Where's the stuff about him being a tinfoil hat type?

To be fair to him, and reading past the shoddy writing in those articles, it does sound like he's done some decent community based stuff since getting away from the far-right. Whatever the limits he clearly has turned his life and ideas around and become a positive influence on his community.
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Like a guy I met who said he made a fortune selling gloves...a right Walter Mitten.
I worry about fantasists..got banged up cos of one.....oh and while Im on if DC/Demu reads this just to say the thief/fantasist who robbed a fair bit of till from the miners collections we did at the Poly during the strike ( we went to his girlfriends and Edge Hill College to ask for it back) Well he's alive and kicking in North Wales. TBC
 
malatesta32 said:
a rare moment of clarity from BD forum. must get them to do a piece for 'malatesta blog.'
'I dont like Mark Collett. Not because ive ever met him but because of what he is. He is the problem with nationalism and whats held us back all these years. Not just him but many around him, Butler, Griffin, Dowson, Harrington, Barnes, Jefferson, Golding and many more all the way down to the bottom of the pile with the likes of Dalgliesh and Stafford. ALL these people are interested in one thing, themselves. They are the parasites that through their desire for greed, to self publicise, and to win one over on the other have destroyed what we once had. They are ALL to blame. Any comments on here are just me delighting in those getting just what they deserve ie me owning Collett on here, Butler getting a taste of his own medicine. We really have been lions led by sheep.
Why so bitter you ask? I put my whole life into the cause just to have it thrown back in my face. There is NO viable option for us now thanks to these ****. Heres a brief list of options:
1. Stay in the BNP. No thanks its just a very expensive and shrinking Griffin cult.
2. Follow Brons. He doesnt even know where he's going.
3. English Democrats. Butler and Collett? Same iceberg, different ship.
4. The party we cant mention. Interesting one. Stafford put me off this one initially with his constant ramming it down peoples throats but this partnership with the EDL is not built on solid ground. Barnes was a crackpot (and still is) and is still hugely influential on this.
5. The EDL. Whats the point of travelling miles to be herded away from sight. The BNP and NF were doing it for years and look what difference its made.
6. Freedom Democrats. Haha behave.
7. Britain First. A great idea that has been bastar dised by Dowsons desire for money and Goldings desire for a job title (along with Howson).
Nationalism has been run by egotists playing into the hands of our enemies for too long. Its about time that those of us who put the cause above ourselves tell the likes of Collett where to stick his leaflets!'
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I just love all this ! It's "Life of Brian II - The Aryan version"
 
butchersapron said:
Immediate aims - organisational consolidation, re-uniting the central group around a series of leadership compromises (for now at least), keeping an eye on where and how any right-looking w/c responses to austerity etc manifest themselves, slow steady rebuilding of local electoral apparatus in the key areas, with a consequent testing out of the approaches suggested by the above - i expect in a more racially overt way (as part of one of the internal compromises), attempts to recruit any serious looking people from the EDL milieu. Eyes on the metropolitan unitary and district elections in may, so starting this stuff very soon. Unless of course, one of the demands raised against griffin that he has to agree to to be able to get into a position to get rid of the dissenters at a later date is less emphasis on elections this year - don't expect that though.

Not really much substantive merger/unity stuff that can take place with the rest of the far-right given the BNP have hoovered up the best activists for the last decade - burnout or disillusionment on the part of these people will probably mean retirement of one sort of another - either total or within the UKIP or tories.
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Today:

An opportunity to be seized - Why we have lifted the proscription on the English Defence League

Main article on main site.
 
So do you reckon it's simply an attempt to recruit the more politically minded EDL activists or do you think there's more to it than that? I don't mean a return to the streetfighter/march and grow tactics, more that they might be wanting to start having national and regional demonstrations or maybe even trying to push the EDL itself in a certain direction?

Guess I'm just wondering out loud here but I'd be interested to hear what people think about this.
 
they are trying to leech off the EDL - altho the EDL have been SERIOUSLY depleted recently. griffin may want to keep being MEP but the BNP are knacked financially - £850k by his own admission - so add a few bob on top of that. they are riven and the far right too spread to be effectual with all the wee grupuscules like the fluffies and that. courting the EDL, lifting the ban on members associating with them and piggy backing the Hyde thing have all the signs of desperation.
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
BNP banners on the EDL rally today.
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Apparantly about sixty or so BNP members turned up mainly North West including Liverpool but also from Yorkshire and North East. Quite a shrewd if belated move from Griffin , the BNP have seen that the EDL membership is up for grabs and that politically the EDL aren't developing. He said that the BNP would be at the forefront of the grooming protests , against Mosques and extremism and they will have high hopes of delivering that now. Not only makes them visible but if they win some political hegemony; financially more viable with the potential to work on that protest vote for the Euro elections.

Could be some potential over the next months with more of these trials and investigations likely as Councils and Police implement the
Tackling Child Sexual Exploitation Action Plans.
 
The39thStep said:
Apparantly about sixty or so BNP members turned up mainly North West including Liverpool but also from Yorkshire and North East. Quite a shrewd if belated move from Griffin , the BNP have seen that the EDL membership is up for grabs and that politically the EDL aren't developing. He said that the BNP would be at the forefront of the grooming protests , against Mosques and extremism and they will have high hopes of delivering that now. Not only makes them visible but if they win some political hegemony; financially more viable with the potential to work on that protest vote for the Euro elections.

Could be some potential over the next months with more of these trials and investigations likely as Councils and Police implement the
Tackling Child Sexual Exploitation Action Plans.
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indeed steps. both are suffering in terms of popularity and numbers on demos and are desperate to widen their appeal. the pedos thing is emotive and they are OBSESSED with it. crivvens!
 
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