Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Can you try that again using English this time. Cheers.
What Now for the BNP?
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Can you try that again using English this time. Cheers.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
It may be only me, but I detect a change of emphasis from NG.
In the past he denounced the EDL and BFP, even recently.
Now he appears to base his activity and wibble on whatever they are up to - the stance on the attack in Hyde being an even more recent example than the appalling behaviour over the Liverpool trial. ( I asked on his page if the BNP supported the long standing cherished British tradition of "innocent till proven guilty" - answer came there none)
With just over 2 years till he tries to cling on to his seat, and with various clusterfucks behind him, is it possible he is now just chasing votes from a fairly narrow bunch on the far right rather than any hope of broader appeal?
The 2 parties seeming most likely to deprive him of his seat are UKIP and the Greens, both of whom have upped their activity in the NW.
It is natural that he should indulge in electioneering, it is the character of that electioneering which is interesting. Will it succeed? Possibly. It will be fascinating to see if BFP field a slate and more fascinating to know of the BNP panic and possible discussions behind the scenes.
In the past he denounced the EDL and BFP, even recently.
Now he appears to base his activity and wibble on whatever they are up to - the stance on the attack in Hyde being an even more recent example than the appalling behaviour over the Liverpool trial. ( I asked on his page if the BNP supported the long standing cherished British tradition of "innocent till proven guilty" - answer came there none)
With just over 2 years till he tries to cling on to his seat, and with various clusterfucks behind him, is it possible he is now just chasing votes from a fairly narrow bunch on the far right rather than any hope of broader appeal?
The 2 parties seeming most likely to deprive him of his seat are UKIP and the Greens, both of whom have upped their activity in the NW.
It is natural that he should indulge in electioneering, it is the character of that electioneering which is interesting. Will it succeed? Possibly. It will be fascinating to see if BFP field a slate and more fascinating to know of the BNP panic and possible discussions behind the scenes.
I think that Griffin has pretty much given up the BNP outside of the North West. He has Salford, Liverpool and Cumbria run by hand-picked morons and close allies, none of whom are particularly competent but they are loyal ie Tierney, Tumulty, Jefferson etc. Outside of that there's isn't much left in the BNP, and what little there is seems to be around Andrew Brons. I think he's just desperate to get re-elected into the EU parliament because it pays well, £120k a year or thereabouts, and he's not capable of other work, so he's clinging onto a few branches in the north-west, even if it means the rest of the party becomes moribund.
Basically he's just in it for the money now.
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
intersol32
Well-Known Member
It's a tactical move on behalf of Griffin and the BNP. Now the organization itself is fracturing they'll latch onto things like the EDL demo in order to retain a constituency of sorts (and maybe attract members from the EDL to boot). The EDL is a manifestation of the broad appeal of Right Wing or Fascist ideas. It wouldn't be wise for Griffin et al to start throwing dirt at the EDL as previous, instead it's better to cosy up and start talking "united fronts" which will maintain a degree of stability when both groups are undergoing pressure and fallouts from within.
I can imagine the Liverpool Court scenario and Hyde being replayed around the country. In areas where the BNP are weak or reluctant to show their faces, an EDL demo will provide numbers and impetus for them to come back out onto the streets.
I can imagine the Liverpool Court scenario and Hyde being replayed around the country. In areas where the BNP are weak or reluctant to show their faces, an EDL demo will provide numbers and impetus for them to come back out onto the streets.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
fuck me those irish names . Their ancestors..grandparents and even parents.. were shit on and worse by the likes of griffin.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
if ever there was a postcard for the master race...thats not it
intersol32
Well-Known Member
It's possible Christianity is being used at present to bolster their Anti-Islamic stance (especially the EDL with their Christian - Crusader imagery etc). It'll certainly be used to highlight the differences in so-called British christian culture and an encroaching "alien religion".
Previously the BNP have been influenced and received direct support from American Far Right groups like the National Alliance. Nationalism in the U.S is heavily religious and Pro-White Christian, as you probably already know.
SpineyNorman
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I think that Dowson bloke, who seems (or at least seemed - he's the addlorries bloke) to have had a lot of influence within the BNP, is a conservative christian - pre-BNP he was best known as an anti-abortion activist.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Griffin it itself an Irish name.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Looks like an attempted partial return to the oldham/burnley tactics is taking shape, this time on the back of the edl mugs. Griffin publicising a 'stop racists attacks' demo in Hyde on the 25th.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The Tameside attack has recieved quite a lot of coverage with the victims family ( actually from Stockport, if they had been more local it could have had greater consequences ) saying it was racially motivated There could also be more to come out of the grooming investigations regionally as not only are there some more trials scheduled but also as govt policy on runaways and exploitation kick in.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
really?how do you get to be a euro mp then? that's 8 times what i earn.
Big salary plus big allowances for housing, subsistence etc, and fairly lax (still!) expenses rules. If Griffin isn't rooking an extra £30,000-50,000 per annum of the Euro-Parliament, he'll be just about the only fucker who isn't.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Nothing along the lines of US hard-right groups. In fact for the last 20 years or so, the two distinctive "pushes" haven't been towards Christianity, but toward first a Norse/"Northern Tradition" derivation, and later, toward a (irony of ironies!) Celtic one, due to the "new right" emphasis on "native" and "indigenous" culture. A lot of European secular rightists still steer well clear of bogging down their politics in religion, which makes sense if you don't want to show yourself up for a hypocrite every time you open your arse to speak.
1%er
Well-Known Member
From what I've read and people I've spoken to, I got the impression that the far right on mainland Europe had started to move to a more religious focus and away from the racist focus over the last ten years or so, race is still clearly the main focus for many (my info comes mainly from Dutch and Germany friends). Maybe I misunderstood.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Some of the religious focus is on pre-Christian "native" religion, though, or at least what they believe to be their indigenous pre-Christian religions, anyway. Right-wing flakes getting involved in neo-Paganism is getting to be old hat. The Christian thing is more of an issue for some of the eastern European and Baltic rights, and for those countries which have a large Catholic (the confluence between the hard right and the Catholic church hardly being surprising) majority anyway. Anders Breivik made some noises about Christianity, but most of them were Crusader schtick rather than any apparent adherence to Christian doctrine.
1%er
Well-Known Member
I thought it was because racism and immigration were sort of 20th century arguments and the far right had maxed out on the number of people they were likely to recruit from that pool and had moved to Christianity to try and widen their appeal and have Muslims as a common enemy. I'm thinking about the developed countries in the EU not the ex-soviet region or nouveau-eu as they were described to me recently 
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The religious aspect - on a membership and activity level - is irrelevant to the far right. It has even less relevance to the general pool they seek to appeal to. The hardcore ideologues sure - but they're the ones who've been locked out of any significant influence in the rise of the far right, in fact it's been predicated on their exclusion from influence. Religion is not a driver of the far right, it's a just a surface expression of social issues - an easy flag to rally around and defend without looking and sounding like some wotan warrior clunking around with your armour being laughed out of boozer
1%er
Well-Known Member
Are you talking about the far right in the UK only or are you including Europe and worldwide in your above?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I was talking primarily about the UK. But you can see examples of this sort of non-religous religion across europe.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
BNP nutjob adam walker in court tomorrow in durham.
http://www.anti-fascists-online.com/2012/02/date-for-your-diary-15th-feb.html
waving knives at bmx kids!
http://www.anti-fascists-online.com/2012/02/date-for-your-diary-15th-feb.html
waving knives at bmx kids!
Whilst I acknowledge that plenty of the SS were practising Catholics, and that plenty of the Far Right US groups in particular have Far Right "Christian" claims in their bundle of ideological positions, isn't Christianity always a bit of an ideological bummer for the fascists .... because of that Jewish Bloke on the cross ? Most of the Nazi hierarchy quite correctly saw Christianity as a factional offshoot from Judaism historically - and therefore went for all that macho Nordic Paganist stuff instead. I know Fascism is a remarkably flexible system of ideas, but I think that its nowadays pretty firmly established fundamental hostility to the nature and "Jewish origins" of Christianity will always provide at least some difficulty to the fascists in holding themselves up as the "Christian " bastion against Islamicism (of course yet ANOTHER of the 3 world "religions of the book", ie, the Jewish old Testament essentially, as I understand it.) But maybe I'm being naive - historically fascism has been quite capable of arguing ten mutually contradictory positions at once - often quite successfully.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
bizarre! fluffy british freedom paul weston to speak at the zionist centre toronto to the JDL. whatever happened to ZOG? this is too weird.
http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/i...y-leader-to-speak-at-jewish-defense-leag.html
http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/i...y-leader-to-speak-at-jewish-defense-leag.html
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Had to smile at this: Harringtons wife ,Michelle Harrington also known as Mish Bondage has accused the BNP’s Andrew Brons of sexual and religious discrimination and unfair dismissal.
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-e...s_into_city_bondage_punk_s_tribunal_1_2123362
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-e...s_into_city_bondage_punk_s_tribunal_1_2123362
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
steps, that has made me feel unwell.
The Black Hand
Unclean
Bollox Pickman, U and t'other ultra left nobs round here amount to nothing, serial underachievers, representative of nothing, that sees what it wants to see, that often organises nothing and certainly organises nothing ambitious, that tests nothing beyond the self referential gang backslapping and gangbanging. I do not need nor want your hot air, I've seen through it and many more have done and will too. I have far far better things to do than the Ultra lefties on U75 (and the limpcoks) there are.
The Black Hand
Unclean
A) That basic premis is sooo basic its abstract, you generalise far too much, and do not specify anything, its totally divorced from economics and struggles/protest, and any real group.
B) That's a straw man, not found in the reality of any of my posts.
C) Again, more simplistic generalisations, shouldn't that read 'next to nothing should be done' rather than "something must be done" btw? I know that's not genorous, but it seems more realistic in the totality of the real political picture to me.
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