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I'm not the bloke's biggest fan but I've never thought of him as a racist. It's too easy for Trots such as your good self to dismiss people as racists.

Only I am allowed to do that, being an anarchostalinist.

I don't think he is a racist tho, ern. I think I haev been careful to say that he is using racist arguments, not that he is really one. He's just mouthing off, as is his want. Main point is, he is talking ludicrously contradictory nonsense.
 
Yet you appear to be having terrible trouble actually proving it. What you "think" is irrelevant, as is what I "think".

Quite. I have always accepted that you are wilfully blind, and no amount of eivdence will convince you otherwise. Almost everyone else readng the thread, tho, will know you are talking bollocks. That'll do me.
 
I'm saying I can't find any proof of his existence other than as a quoted police source attributed as saying precisely the same thing about several different sets of statistics for different years. All of them claiming to show a Muslim rape epidemic in Oslo, and none of them backed up with any official statistics beyond a few headline number.

I agree, info on him is scant. Worth a deeper search perhaps in case he really is a fake.

But Hanne Kristin Rohde exists.

I can't view the video on my PC, and I can't find anything in print other than Rohde simply making an assertion that all 41 assault rapes over 3 years were committed by non-Western immigrants.

You can't have tried very hard. About 19,200 results I got, including UNHCR reports and her very own Wikipedia page, which can be translated to English. She was voted Person of the Year or something in 2010 and she is frequently quoted by NRK.


I have already posted a link to an analysis of the real official statistics earlier in the thread.


You mean that 227 page novel you slapped up, with no passages quoted, no context, not a jot of explanation or even a page number?
I hope not, and if you have posted any link of relevance, "earlier in the thread" isn't good enough.

You quote stats - you put up link.
I've repeatedly done so with my data.
This thread has well over a thousand posts now.
You do this properly or not at all.

I never said the article was reprinted annually by Aftonbladet, but only that it appears one a large number of web sites variously claiming it to be a newly released report for every year since 2001 when the original article was printed. I'm not saying Aftonbladet reprinted it. I'm saying that the vast majority of the web sites quoting it are LYING about when the report came out.

Are they lying about the dates? The data? Are they just making numbers appear from thin air?

I'm doing way better than you are.

You'll be neck and neck if you show me the links to the Oslo cop data that contradicts Hanne Kristin Rohde.

So far you've basically got two statistically unsupported statements from Norway

Uh, no - in what way are they "unsupported". Where can you prove they are unsupported? You haven't posted a relevant link yet.

and a load of speculation based on a grand total of 4 cases from the UK.

A grand total of four cases? Are you kidding me?

Have you even bothered to do a basic Google?

I could probably list 20 cases that appear to be identical on a single Google search, but to what end? It doesn't mean I'm wrong or right.

The premise is very clear, and I want you to disprove it.

Publishing tons of links to these stories in one place would play right into the hands of the undesirables, and this place would get trolled to fuck by boneheads.

I've posted links. However you are clearly demanding something impossible, official statistical proof in the form of a short paragraph of words of one syllable. If you aren't prepared to look into the actual data then tough luck, all you'll ever have to go on is tabloid bollocks and racist blogposts.

Just post the links. Linking to abstract 227 page documents aren't 'proof' of anything, and you know it.

The actual department is the sexual and violent crimes division. My point is that there is a single quote from a single police source attributed to several different sets of statistics over a decade, all of them using precisely the same mistake in translation.

Ah so it's a translation error? Please explain. :)

It says to me a total lack of interest in fact checking.

You appear to have a lack of interest in relevant link providing.

I would hardly describe Aftonbladet as a respected news source. It's the Scandanavian equivalent of the Sun. Not quite as bad, but hardly a particularly reputable newspaper. It's a scandal sheet that is apparently running downhill about as fast as it's running out of money.

But even if you were correct - which you are not - Aftonbladet in Norway is not the equivalent of the Scum at all - the NRK national broadcast station has been running the same stories.

The Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (Norwegian: Norsk Rikskringkasting AS), which is usually known as the NRK, is the Norwegian government-owned radio and television public broadcasting company, and the largest media organisation in Norway.

It is a founding member of the European Broadcasting Union.

The source of all this is Hanne Kristin Rohde.

So is she lying or what?

Show us some figures to prove it.
 
Quite. I have always accepted that you are wilfully blind, and no amount of eivdence will convince you otherwise.

You're absolutely right of course, because thus far, no amount of evidence has been produced.

Almost everyone else readng the thread, tho, will know you are talking bollocks. That'll do me.

Yeah, but in all likelihood given that we are in UK P&P that'll be all your revolutionary left wing pals who have steered well clear of this thread.

I note you say "almost" everyone. Don't you think that the "almost" is the entire fucking point here?
 
I give up pk. You won't read any official statistics because you consider them too much hard work, and you won't accept a precis of them either. It's a complete waste of time. Your reading comprehension is appalling as well. So I'm wasting my time on this thread. I think belboid's got it about right. Anyone with half a brain can by now see that you are completely unwilling to argue on the basis of evidence, because all you've produced is either anecdotal or unsupported assertion, and you refuse to look at anything more complex. You are doomed to a life of ignorance I'm afraid.
 
Hi, I'm from Germany and accidently came across this post because there are similar issues in Germany. Turkish men, the biggest muslims community in Germany, that are systematically raping non muslims girls. It's great that in GB people are more advanced than in Germany and openly addressing this racist issue. In Germany almost nobody talks about this, because all people have fear of beeing called a racist or islamophobe. This is going on for a longer time and when my girlfriend was several times called a "christian bitch" I studied islam. Shocking is that even Mohammed already raped non muslims women and justified that. All the harems for that reason consisted only of non-muslim women. I also talked to a turkish friend of mine (he is not religious at all and more an atheist) who said that most of his friends are only "training with christian/german bitches" but later of course will marry a pure muslim girl. And that they despise all the girls they have sex with. I'm glad to have interesting discussions and opinions how you see this in GB.
 
http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/03/05/a_krim_tab_en/tab/tab-2010-12-03-20-en.html

ericjarvis - Those links got lost at the bottom of the last page - OK, let's have a look



http://www.ssb.no/english/yearbook/tab/tab-152.html

According to this - 139 rape cases were committed for trial in 2005 - but that's the whole of Norway. In 2001 there were 63. No specific breakdown for Oslo yet but I'll keep looking.

According to the NRK report, in Oslo double the amount of rapes occurred in 2009 than in 2008. In 2009 there were 21 assaults rapes in Oslo.
It is the most recorded since police began collecting these figures in 2006. http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...n&u=http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.6944861
(This report seems to come also from Rohde)


So going back to your stats - I'm finding data that looks like it backs up a huge overall increase in Norway rape cases.

Reported rape offences almost doubled between 2000 and 2008 - http://www.ssb.no/english/yearbook/2009/tab/tab-148.html



469 incidences of sexual offences reported in Oslo for 2008. - http://www.ssb.no/english/yearbook/2009/tab/tab-146.html

594 incidences of sexual offences reported in Oslo in 2009. - http://www.ssb.no/english/yearbook/tab/tab-148.html

http://www.ssb.no/politi_statres_en/



No specific figures appear to be available for actual rape offences in Oslo.

Unless I've missed them.

"Sexual offences" is pretty ambiguous, could include a wide range of crimes depending on the Norwegian definition.

I appreciate the fact that you have provided this data, however I have had a good look and there are no figures that directly contradict the figures quoted by the Oslo policewoman Hanne Kristin Rohde.

But the national statistics appear to have shown no "doubling" which does throw a little confusion -
 
I give up pk. You won't read any official statistics because you consider them too much hard work, and you won't accept a precis of them either. It's a complete waste of time. Your reading comprehension is appalling as well. So I'm wasting my time on this thread. I think belboid's got it about right. Anyone with half a brain can by now see that you are completely unwilling to argue on the basis of evidence, because all you've produced is either anecdotal or unsupported assertion, and you refuse to look at anything more complex. You are doomed to a life of ignorance I'm afraid.

Hey - relax, they fell off the end of the last page - I found them...
 
Hi, I'm from Germany and accidently came across this post because there are similar issues in Germany. Turkish men, the biggest muslims community in Germany, that are systematically raping non muslims girls. It's great that in GB people are more advanced than in Germany and openly addressing this racist issue. In Germany almost nobody talks about this, because all people have fear of beeing called a racist or islamophobe. This is going on for a longer time and when my girlfriend was several times called a "christian bitch" I studied islam. Shocking is that even Mohammed already raped non muslims women and justified that. All the harems for that reason consisted only of non-muslim women. I also talked to a turkish friend of mine (he is not religious at all and more an atheist) who said that most of his friends are only "training with christian/german bitches" but later of course will marry a pure muslim girl. And that they despise all the girls they have sex with. I'm glad to have interesting discussions and opinions how you see this in GB.

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Hi, I'm from Germany and accidently came across this post because there are similar issues in Germany. Turkish men, the biggest muslims community in Germany, that are systematically raping non muslims girls. It's great that in GB people are more advanced than in Germany and openly addressing this racist issue. In Germany almost nobody talks about this, because all people have fear of beeing called a racist or islamophobe. This is going on for a longer time and when my girlfriend was several times called a "christian bitch" I studied islam. Shocking is that even Mohammed already raped non muslims women and justified that. All the harems for that reason consisted only of non-muslim women. I also talked to a turkish friend of mine (he is not religious at all and more an atheist) who said that most of his friends are only "training with christian/german bitches" but later of course will marry a pure muslim girl. And that they despise all the girls they have sex with. I'm glad to have interesting discussions and opinions how you see this in GB.

Didn't you guys say something similar about Jews not so long ago. I don't think we need lectures about religious minorities from Germans. How many Turkish people have suffered racist attack in Germany?
From 2001
Germany has reported a 40% increase in racist attacks as a new survey shows that almost every second young East German thinks that the Nazi regime "had its good side".

The system in the GDR has left behind a great trail of spiritual and mental destruction

German Interior Minister Otto Schilly
Overall, racist crime in Germany, which includes displaying Nazi symbols and shouting Nazi slogans, rose by 45% last year.

Interior Minister Otto Schilly described it as a "worrying increase".

Between January and November last year, 13,753 right-wing, xenophobic and anti-Semitic crimes were carried out compared with 9,456 in the same period the previous year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1159888.stm

From 2008
Germany Ministry of the Interior Affairs in its response to the Left Party's question said that the number of the attacks committed by the extreme right groups reached 14.000 in 2008.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/66180/14-000-racist-attacks-occurred-in-a-year-in-germany.html

From 2011
BERLIN — German police said an arson attack on a mosque in the country’s capital left has blackened its entrance door, but nobody was injured http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/01/12/new-arson-attack-on-mosque-in-german-capital/

http://dergiler.ankara.edu.tr/dergiler/44/681/8663.pdf
 
getting embarassed by the company you're attracting?

It's a bit embarrassing to see that nobody has actually been able to prove the Oslo figures as complete lies.

Anyone would think that eric jarvis has just flounced off instead of demonstrating his point.
I spent at least an hour and a half looking at the official statistics he provided, and none of them can give a definitive indication that Hanne Kristin Rohde is just making this stuff up.

Have a look for yourself. Far from being "completely unwilling to argue on the basis of evidence" - I am being far more generous in giving eric jarvis the benefit of doubt than he is toward me.

He's repeatedly shunned the idea that the Oslo police figures are in any way accurate - but he has yet to show why.

I'm sure a moderator would be able to take a look at the IP for "germanguy" and confirm that he is in fact from Germany...
 
Hi, I'm from Germany and accidently came across this post because there are similar issues in Germany. Turkish men, the biggest muslims community in Germany, that are systematically raping non muslims girls. It's great that in GB people are more advanced than in Germany and openly addressing this racist issue. In Germany almost nobody talks about this, because all people have fear of beeing called a racist or islamophobe. This is going on for a longer time and when my girlfriend was several times called a "christian bitch" I studied islam. Shocking is that even Mohammed already raped non muslims women and justified that. All the harems for that reason consisted only of non-muslim women. I also talked to a turkish friend of mine (he is not religious at all and more an atheist) who said that most of his friends are only "training with christian/german bitches" but later of course will marry a pure muslim girl. And that they despise all the girls they have sex with. I'm glad to have interesting discussions and opinions how you see this in GB.

I see "germanguy" has been banned. After one post.

Seems a bit odd - was he German after all or was he, as has already been speculated, a sock puppet account of someone based here in the UK??

Can a moderator confirm this, or that he was genuinely German at least??
 
Trot false flag phoney German.

I've flagged it to the moderators. Perhaps if you do the same we can get to the bottom of who "germanguy" really was.

I think it would be very poor form if "germanguy" just turned out to be a made-up person that originated from the very same IP as perhaps another poster here.

The speed in which he was banned and the lack of a decent reason why is more than a little odd...
 
Are we worried that your smelly opinions have started to attract flies pk?

I've already pointed out my unwillingness to post tons of examples from news sources, as it would be a gift to the far right.

However - my suspicion that "germanguy" is a just a made-up person and was banned after one post has been piqued.

Was it you, DrRingDing? I'm sure a moderator will be along to clear it up shortly.
 
I've already pointed out my unwillingness to post tons of examples from news sources, as it would be a gift to the far right.

So, you're magnaminously eschewing winning the arguement by witholding evidence that may fuel the fash?

Best one yet.

Oh my aching sides :D
 
Yes. Well known fact. Until Western missionaries arrived nobody outside of Europe knew how to do sex. At least not with sufficient guilt and all the right hang ups.

I think things have maybe moved on a bit here since the days of table-legs being covered up or the belief that masturbation leads to insanity and blindness. (It probably does lead to eye-strain though, given the amount of porn on the internet.)
 
I give up pk.

So it seems. Thanks for being honest about it.

You won't read any official statistics because you consider them too much hard work

Clearly I have read the statistics you provided, and have gone through at least 20 pages from the same official source, as has been demonstrated in my post above (1207)
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/th...eat-quot-)?p=11416590&viewfull=1#post11416590

and you won't accept a precis of them either.

That's hardly fair, seeing as I have been more than willing to accept your conclusion in regards to the alleged misprint earlier in the thread.
And it isn't as if you are prepared to accept any precis that conflicts with yours - Jack Straw, several senior muslim leaders, as well as Hanne Kristin Rohde have all drawn alarming conclusions and gone public with them, and in effect you have stated that they must all be lying without clearly demonstrating why.

It's a complete waste of time. Your reading comprehension is appalling as well. So I'm wasting my time on this thread.

Sounds like a flounce to me.
You can't demonstrate Rohde's Oslo figures to be false at all, so you pin the blame on me and accuse me of refusing to look at complex data, which is clearly bollocks.
 
There is no indication that the banned account was connected to any other user here.

OK thanks - so was he from Germany at all, as a quick check of the source IP would tell you?

Was it you that did the banning? What was the reason cited, if you don't mind?
 
So, you're magnaminously eschewing winning the arguement by witholding evidence that may fuel the fash?

Best one yet.

Oh my aching sides :D

I don't think my posting a bunch of stories that happen to link muslims with grooming children would in any way count as my "winning the argument", do you?

I really used to think you were smarter than this. You're just coming across as desperate.
 
The account was most likely from Germany though there are proxies and so on. It was banned because people randomly turning up from Google with their first posts being made-up stuff about <group X> rarely turn out to be thoughtful balanced additions to a forum; it's the #1 indicator of a roaming internet bigot, I thought that would be obvious after all this time.
 
The account was most likely from Germany though there are proxies and so on. It was banned because people randomly turning up from Google with their first posts being made-up stuff about <group X> rarely turn out to be thoughtful balanced additions to a forum; it's the #1 indicator of a roaming internet bigot, I thought that would be obvious after all this time.

Fair enough - thanks for the info. If he just drifted in from Google then I would agree, he's not adding anything significant. Interesting you consider that he simply "made-up" everything he said, but still...
Important to state that though - part of the argument here is that authorities and media are turning a blind eye to this stuff... and have been for a long time.

This Times link from 2007 shows clearly alarm bells have been ringing for this upon deaf ears for ages.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2538090.ece

The Times said:
A number of families affected by Pakistani pimping gangs have said that police inaction and the refusal of white liberals to acknowledge the problem has resulted in more girls being at risk than ever before. “We are still battling to get recognition that what we are dealing with is organised crime against children,” says Aravinda Kosaraju, a researcher at Crop, which has in the past been funded by the Home Office and has recently received a large lottery grant in order to develop its work

It's the blatant running away from rationally discussing difficult issues such as these that is a gift to the wankers at the BNP.

But more importantly - there is a notion not too far-fetched that some on the left would sooner tolerate the prospect of young children being systematically raped than dare to confront what appears to be overwhelming evidence of a nasty cultural attitude by some towards non-muslim women.

This thread, and the notable and puzzling lack of comments from the many self-styled opposers of the right wing factions who post here, appears to support that notion.

Looks like the white liberal left wing are "easy meat" for the racists, to put it another way... if they can't even attempt to counter my arguments, then they're fucked when the EDL/BNP scum start capitalising on this - and they will.

Still, there's always time to talk fondly about the irrelevant shit, the good old days of the left wing way back in the 1980's, and just ignore the present day if the topic is too difficult to confront...
 
The authors of the report cited in the times warn against the dangers of racial stereotyping in an article in the Guardian today

Researchers into child sex trafficking within the UK have warned of the dangers of racial stereotyping amid claims of a widespread problem of British Pakistani men exploiting under-age white girls.

Authors of the first independent academic analysis looking at "on-street grooming", where young girls, spotted outside, including at the school gates, have become targets, said they were concerned that data from a small, geographically concentrated, sample of cases had been "generalised to an entire crime type".

The authors, Helen Brayley and Ella Cockbain, from UCL's Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science, said they were surprised their research, confined to just two police operations in the north and Midlands, which found perpetrators were predominantly but not exclusively from the British Pakistani community, had been cited in support of the claims that such offences were widespread.

They also disputed claims that non Muslim girls had been deliberately targeted.

Brayley and Cockbaine, whose six-month study was cited as evidence, said they were worried that limited data had been extended "to characterise an entire crime type, in particular of race and gender". They challenged claims that white girls were deliberately sought out by offenders. "Though the majority … were white so too were the majority of local inhabitants." Comparing the percentage of white people in the areas with black and ethnic minorities, their data, they said, showed "black and ethnic minority girls over-represented among the victims".
They added: "This challenges the view that white girls are sought out by offenders, suggesting instead that convenience and accessibility may be the prime drivers for those looking for new victims.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/jan/06/child-sex-trafficking-racial-stereotyping
 
The authors of the report cited in the times warn against the dangers of racial stereotyping in an article in the Guardian today

I think the dangers of racial stereotyping are pretty clear and obvious. The authors of the research from UCL's Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science may indeed be surprised and concerned - but they do not actually refute the figures that show that the perpetrators were predominantly but not exclusively from the British Pakistani community. They are effectively calling for further wider studies to be carried out in the crime of "on-street grooming" in order to garner more accurate data. I support this call.

They also disputed claims that non Muslim girls had been deliberately targeted.

They said "Though the majority … were white so too were the majority of local inhabitants."

According to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, in 2009, the victims were mainly "white British in their mid and late teens" but also Bangladeshi and Afro-Caribbean. In other words - the victims were all non-muslim.

If indeed convenience and accessibility may be the prime drivers for those looking for new victims, then that is a factor I would be happy to concede, but that still fails to address the explicit figures made by the same research team at UCL - here's what they said, after all:

“researchers at University College London's Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science concurred that victims were typically white girls while ‘most central offenders are Pakistani’.”

“…researchers identified 17 court prosecutions since 1997, 14 of them in the past three years, involving the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by groups of men.”

“In total, 56 people, with an average age of 28, were found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child.”

“Three of the 56 were white, 53 were Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community.”

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And it appears the 3 that were white were apparently members of the BNP.
 
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