Weasel Straw strikes again (Pakistani men in Britain see white girls as "easy meat")

[Proper Tidy]

Not that hard pushed. Bradford, Blackburn, Burnley all have examples of such communities.

No they don't.

Not the way I use it.

So you mean muslim communities not The Muslim Community. Even then, I'd be very surprised if the UK has a single community that is comprised solely of muslims.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Let's see the facts, lets have a look. I'm not "obsessed" you silly girl, it's the thread topic.

This is pathetic.

 

[pk]

How about you stop trying to patronise me you pathetic little man? You are obsessed and it is clear to see.



The only thing I am side stepping is your obsession , oh and turning into a head patting, condescending mysoginst doesn't cover you in glory either...

Yeah, yeah I know...'at least you are not as bad as other men.'

You can't accept for a second that there is anything shady going on with regard to non-muslim children and predatory muslim pedophiles egged on by radical beliefs that reduce women to the level of animals.

Fine, you've made your point. I think it's nonsense. Carry on with the ad hominem attacks though, and accuse me of being "obsessed" and "mysoginst", it's really helping your case.

 

[Treacle Toes]

This is pathetic.

Of course it is...I am merely a 'silly girl'.

 

[Proper Tidy]

The causes probably are social, in most cases. But the attitude that white non-muslims = unclean infidel whores is a mindset that enables such crimes to happen far more commonly than they should.

You could apply this reactionary thinking to any ethnic, religious, cultural or social group. What's so special about teh muzlims?

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

If one or two of the immams stood up and said "Allah will roast your testicles if you rape children" and a comparable attitude towards child rape as we infidels have (i.e. the majority of UK residents would probably like to see predatory paedophiles castrated) you can bet there would be less of this shit going on.

So you don't think the majority of uk residents of pakistani origin think that they are scum? You think that most imams don't condemn rape? Are you for real?

You still haven't said a single thing of any practical use that can be done either.

As it is - influential people from the muslim world tend to look the other way and even cover the problem up.

Every muslim organisation I have seen comment on this has totally condemned what these men and men like them have done, what are you talking about?

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Of course it is...I am merely a 'silly little girl'.

sorry I meant to say this is pathetic!

Let's see the facts, lets have a look. I'm not "obsessed" you silly girl, it's the thread topic.

 

[pk]

1) It's boiling sugar water, not sweets.

2) you're about as likely to find a razor blade in your food as you are to get a blowjob off of the Governor. More likely to find stones and glass.

I stand corrected. Lets hope they die in jail either way.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

You could apply this reactionary thinking to any ethnic, religious, cultural or social group. What's so special about teh muzlims?

Exactly. No-one has said that this thinking doesn't go on, it does.

Also in the case of the OP they don't seem like practicing muslims in any real sense at all, in fact the opposite seems the case.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Still waiting for your pracitical suggestions pk.

 

[pk]

So you don't think the majority of uk residents of pakistani origin think that they are scum? You think that most imams don't condemn rape? Are you for real?

Where have I said that? Clearly the MAJORITY consider what these men did as abhorrent, but it's not the MAJORITY that need to have their attitudes towards non-muslim women corrected, is it?

You still haven't said a single thing of any practical use that can be done either.

Nobody has, though I alluded to better communication between muslim leaders and child protection agencies.

Every muslim organisation I have seen comment on this has totally condemned what these men and men like them have done, what are you talking about?

And so they should. However, look at other issues just as abhorrent, honour killings and the like - there is a sense that such matters should not be dealt with by infidel law courts.

Or maybe I'm just making the whole thing up, there isn't a problem and all those muslim leaders speaking up in support of Straw's comments were just lying...

 

[Treacle Toes]

sorry I meant to say this is pathetic!

Okay.

 

[pk]

Of course it is...I am merely a 'silly girl'.

You're acting like one by accusing me of being "obsessed"... and refusing to accept that there is clearly an attitude problem that in all likelihood you would never have encountered.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Why is it up to 'the Muslim community' to root out this minority of sexual predators who are unlikely to be practising muslims anyway? Why is it not up to 'the Christian community' to root out all the white european nonces and rapists and sex pests (whether they ever go to church or not)?

Should Muslims walk around in t-shirts saying 'we condemn noncery'?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not that hard pushed. Bradford, Blackburn, Burnley all have examples of such communities.



Not the way I use it.

Nah, they don't. What they have are "communities" where the majority are cultural Muslims, but even the most closed "communities" aren't self-selected ghettos of Islam, they're populated by people from different regions of the same country who share a nominal religious allegiance, plus people from other countries who share a nominal religious allegiance with them.
Thing is, there's often a lot of internal friction that gets missed out on because people are too busy talking about this or that community. There was a lot of aggro, for example, in Watford back in the early '90s, when Afghanis started arriving there and using the mosque, telling the local Ugandan and even northern Pakistani Muslims that they weren't "proper" Muslims.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Where have I said that? Clearly the MAJORITY consider what these men did as abhorrent, but it's not the MAJORITY that need to have their attitudes towards non-muslim women corrected, is it?

So why are you talking about if only one or two immams would condemn this, when in reality the vast majority do?

Nobody has, though I alluded to better communication between muslim leaders and child protection agencies.

How do you know this doesn't already happen? You seem to have little to say of practical use.

However, look at other issues just as abhorrent, honour killings and the like - there is a sense that such matters should not be dealt with by infidel law courts.

Again all the UK muslim organisations I've seen condemn honour killings and say it should be dealt with by the police. What are you talking about?

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

You're acting like one by accusing me of being "obsessed"... and refusing to accept that there is clearly an attitude problem that in all likelihood you would never have encountered.

So it's ok to be sexist? What is your background? Whatever community you are from needs to act now.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Should Muslims walk around in t-shirts saying 'we condemn noncery'?

 

[Treacle Toes]

You're acting like one by accusing me of being "obsessed"...

No pk. It is an observation of the way that you 'act'.

and refusing to accept that there is clearly an attitude problem that in all likelihood you would never have encountered.

1. I do not refuse to accept the problem as I see it.
2. Why do you imagine I would not have encountered this problem?

 

[pk]

Why is it up to 'the Muslim community' to root out this minority of sexual predators who are unlikely to be practising muslims anyway? Why is it not up to 'the Christian community' to root out all the white european nonces and rapists and sex pests (whether they ever go to church or not)?

Should Muslims walk around in t-shirts saying 'we condemn noncery'?

If it were really up to the "Christian" community or the indigenous community of the UK, people who rape children regardless of colour would be hung drawn and quartered.

Unfortunately, because we have a legal system designed to protect us from ourselves, mostly even the most evil predatory pedophiles are only locked up for a few years, then given new identities and released back into the community to re-offend.

So in light of the conviction and the clear evidence of grooming children for gang rape, why is it up to the muslim community to sort this out?

Because muslim lads will listen to muslim elders. They'll no more listen to Jack Straw as I would listen to Anjem Choudhary.

 

[Treacle Toes]

So it's ok to be sexist? What is your background? Whatever community you are from needs to act now.

 

[pk]

Nah, they don't. What they have are "communities" where the majority are cultural Muslims, but even the most closed "communities" aren't self-selected ghettos of Islam, they're populated by people from different regions of the same country who share a nominal religious allegiance, plus people from other countries who share a nominal religious allegiance with them.

So you don't see these as being muslim communities?

Thing is, there's often a lot of internal friction that gets missed out on because people are too busy talking about this or that community. There was a lot of aggro, for example, in Watford back in the early '90s, when Afghanis started arriving there and using the mosque, telling the local Ugandan and even northern Pakistani Muslims that they weren't "proper" Muslims.

Agreed, there is a kaleidescope of differing opinion within, and of course various flavours of islamic sects with all manner of set beliefs.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The causes probably are social, in most cases. But the attitude that white non-muslims = unclean infidel whores is a mindset that enables such crimes to happen far more commonly than they should.

Same or similar mindsets exist everywhere, and don't need Islam as an excuse. In the Portuguese "community" in this neck of the woods back in the 70s, you found exactly that attitude to white non-Portuguese girls, especially if they weren't Catholic. Same in the Polish "community", the Ukrainian "community", and even the "indigenous" "communities". There's always an excuse, and that's all it fucking well is, an excuse.

If one or two of the immams stood up and said "Allah will roast your testicles if you rape children" and a comparable attitude towards child rape as we infidels have (i.e. the majority of UK residents would probably like to see predatory paedophiles castrated) you can bet there would be less of this shit going on.

What makes you think that they don't? What leads you to believe that paedophilia is any more acceptable to the majority of Muslims than it is to, say the majority of Christians?
(Oh, and please don't trot out the "Mohammed boned and married a kiddy" thing. Very few Muslims use that as a justification for child marriage, let alone child rape.

As it is - influential people from the muslim world tend to look the other way and even cover the problem up.

Influential people like who?

Just like the Catholic priests did. So to me it is a religious/cultural thing.

No, it's a sick twisted fuck thing. The religious and cultural issues are excuses, not the reason(s) for such things happening.

 

[pk]

No pk. It is an observation of the way that you 'act'.

What, I'm obsessed because I like to see an argument through? Great logic there.

1. I do not refuse to accept the problem as I see it.

You don't apear to see it as much of a problem at all.

2. Why do you imagine I would not have encountered this problem?

Because you are a modestly dressed female with darker skin and thus not the usual target of the cultural anti-infidel abuse from the type of men we are discussing.

 

[Proper Tidy]

If it were really up to the "Christian" community or the indigenous community of the UK, people who rape children regardless of colour would be hung drawn and quartered.

What? Your grasp of history leaves a lot to be desired.

So in light of the conviction and the clear evidence of grooming children for gang rape, why is it up to the muslim community to sort this out?

Because muslim lads will listen to muslim elders. They'll no more listen to Jack Straw as I would listen to Anjem Choudhary.

So the majority have no obligations to police their ethnic/religious/cultural 'communities', but minorities do? The lads who do this would no more listen to 'Muslim elders' (ffs) than they would to anybody else. Will all the white nominally anglican/CoE criminals listen if only the Archbishop of Canterbury told them crime was bad? I'm not sure if you're really naive or just unpleasant.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

So in light of the conviction and the clear evidence of grooming children for gang rape, why is it up to the muslim community to sort this out?

Because muslim lads will listen to muslim elders. They'll no more listen to Jack Straw as I would listen to Anjem Choudhary.

Both muslim community groups and immams already condemn this behaviour. So what is your point?

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Because you are a modestly dressed female with darker skin and thus not the usual target of the cultural anti-infidel abuse from the type of men we are discussing.

Wait a minute we're all over the shop. Just a minute ago they were going for sikhs and hindus. Now women with darker skin aren't the usual target for anti-infidel mob. I'm confused.

 

[Citizen66]

Rape is far far less common in moslem countries than it is in say, South Africa.

bacha bazi.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Because muslim lads will listen to muslim elders.

As well as pointing out that the vast majority of muslim elders already condemn this behaviour why do you think that the muslim lads, who obviously don't follow the religion in any meaningful way and had never attended the mosque in all the time they were under surveillance would be influenced by them?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So you don't see these as being muslim communities?

No, I don't.
I spent just over 2 years being fostered by a British Pakistani couple, back in the mid to late '70s. I'm fairly well aware of just how unintegrated with each other the various elements of this supposed "Muslim community" are. They spend more time dwelling on their differences than they do on what unites them, and the spectrum of adherence to the faith, even back then, ran from "as unobservant and non-attending as possible" to "pray five times a day at the mosque". Calling British Pakistanis (or indeed any ethnic or cultural minority) a "community" just because they live close/in what's perceived as an enclave doesn't make it so.

Agreed, there is a kaleidescope of differing opinion within, and of course various flavours of islamic sects with all manner of set beliefs.

You better believe it!