Weasel Straw strikes again (Pakistani men in Britain see white girls as "easy meat")

[ericjarvis]

It's very telling that many here wish to bury their head in the sand to a serious issue.

I couldn't agree more. It makes me wonder why so many posters want to ignore sexual abuse by anyone other than British Pakistanis.

 

[IMR]

I couldn't agree more. It makes me wonder why so many posters want to ignore sexual abuse by anyone other than British Pakistanis.

It's possible that we don't want to ignore it at all, or even that we have no beef with Pakistanis or any other ethnic group.

Maybe it's just that we enjoy having a go at the Righteous Ones such as you, when you try to claim the moral high ground through theatrical displays of ethnic self-loathing and by insinuating racism in others.

 

[TopCat]

I couldn't agree more. It makes me wonder why so many posters want to ignore sexual abuse by anyone other than British Pakistanis.

I can think of many threads here which have focused on sex abuse by Catholic Priests, teachers, friends, relatives, all sorts. Why should the abuse and rapes carried out by men of a Pakistani origin be ignored in your view?

 

[_angel_]

I couldn't agree more. It makes me wonder why so many posters want to ignore sexual abuse by anyone other than British Pakistanis.

As usual this how these threads pan out -- nobody anywhere is in any way at all pretending that other people don't also do these things. Just in this specific case it appears that a certain group are indeed targeting young girls who are not from their own backgrounds.

If even BBC News Look North can recognise this - I doubt they would have run this story if they weren't pretty 100% certain of their facts.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Gold Rule of Urban75: A denunciation of white racism must always follow on from news of non-Europeans doing something bad to whites.

Rubbish! Where double standards exist they deserve being called.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Just in this specific case it appears that a certain group are indeed targeting young girls who are not from their own backgrounds.

Weren't three of the women from the case in the OP Asian?

Also could it not be the case that the men/scum in question just go for the most vulnerable women they can find and they would go for pakistani women as well if they had easier access?

There could well be racial prejudices as well as them being abusers, as I've known some men from every race I've come across think of "their women" as better than other races, but where is the evidence in this case? And even if it is the case that a minority of men in that community doing it, then why should that community be told to take responsbility for it, rather than society as a whole? Firstly there is no such thing as a pakistani/catholic/asian/white community, and secondly it is the job of the police and the authorities. What are individuals who are from a pakistani background meant to do about it, hire a private detective?

It would be like saying the white christian community has to be responsible for dealing with white christian men who go out to Thailand.

Also no-one has suggested anything in practical terms of what should be done.

 

[pk]

Weren't three of the women from the case in the OP Asian?

Ah but were they muslim...?

Seems there's an issue with Hindu/Sikh girls being groomed too.

 

[pk]

Right TC, where's the proof that "many here wish to bury their head in the sand to a serious issue"?

I see a lot lazy generalisations here myself.

I see a lot of lazy rhetoric in your thread title.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

No idea, you tell me? If no-one knows assumptions shouldn't be made about the motivation of people who did this, especially as one of them was white! All we know at this point is that they were scum. The trial judge said racial motivation wasn't relevant and no-one has provided any evidence to the contrary.

Also no-one has suggested anything in practical terms of what should be done.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Rape is far far less common in moslem countries than it is in say, South Africa.

Reported rape is, that's for sure.

 

[pk]

Firstly there is no such thing as a pakistani/catholic/asian/white community

LOL, wut? OK...

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's very telling that many here wish to bury their head in the sand to a serious issue.

Grooming and rape per se are serious issues. Problem is that even when people don't bury their heads in the sand, not a lot gets done, whatever the culture of the perpetrators.

 

[Proper Tidy]

LOL, wut? OK...

But there isn't. Talking about the Muslim community is as daft as talking about the disabled community or the driving community. It's bollocks.

 

[pk]

The trial judge said racial motivation wasn't relevant and no-one has provided any evidence to the contrary.

Except they have. As has been documented throughout the thread.

Barnardo's chief executive Martin Narey said street grooming was 'probably happening in most towns and cities' and was not confined to the Pakistani community.
'I certainly don't think this is a Pakistani thing.
My staff would say that there is an over-representation of people from minority ethnic groups - Afghans, people from Arabic nations - but it's not just one nation.'

Salim Mulla, chairman of the Lancashire Council of Mosques, admitted there was a problem in the town which was taken ‘very seriously'.

He said: “We have done a lot of work in the Muslim community.

"However, the problem does still exist and it is down to the high level of deprivation in this town and a failure in the system resulting in these young men turning to gang culture and committing crime".

 

[Proper Tidy]

'I certainly don't think this is a Pakistani thing.
My staff would say that there is an over-representation of people from minority ethnic groups - Afghans, people from Arabic nations - but it's not just one nation.'

"However, the problem does still exist and it is down to the high level of deprivation in this town and a failure in the system resulting in these young men turning to gang culture and committing crime".

How does this quote help your case?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I couldn't agree more. It makes me wonder why so many posters want to ignore sexual abuse by anyone other than British Pakistanis.

Sexual abuse of children below the age of consent is historically (notwithstanding the last 15 years of paedophobia) "ignored". Each time it has come to the public eye in the last 100 years or so, it hasn't been because of police work, or even too often because of crusading journalism. Most often it's been because incidents have come to light that are so horrific, the media are forced to pay attention, and therefore the general public get to hear about it.

Like I said earlier in the thread, the systematic grooming and sexual abuse of children in care has been going on (and being reported on) for as long as I can remember, which is back to the early '70s. That wasn't "British Pakistanis". it was white care-workers and even social workers.

 

[pk]

But there isn't. Talking about the Muslim community is as daft as talking about the disabled community or the driving community. It's bollocks.

How is it anything like those examples? This is a community that is self sufficient in terms of people living within it that often never ever venture out into the white areas, never leaving their streets. They shop three streets away, pray three streets away, and all their immediate family members here live within 600 yards.

Of course there are distinct communities in this cities. Unless your definition of "community" differs from mine.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ah but were they muslim...?

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Oh for pity's sake...you are obsessed

Most likely none of the victims were Muslim and from all reports the rapist's and their lifestyles don't exactly scream devout Muslim at me either.

Try again.

 

[pk]

How does this quote help your case?

The over-representation from Arabic nations involved in grooming infidel girls...?

 

[pk]

Oh for pity's sake...you are obsessed:rolleyes

Most likely none of the victims were Muslim and from all reports the rapist's and their lifestyles don't exactly scream Muslim at me either.

Try again.

"most likely"

Let's see the facts, lets have a look. I'm not "obsessed" you silly girl, it's the thread topic.

Plenty seem keen to sidestep the issue and treat it like it wasn't a problem at all, and there are no alarming incompatibilities between the dictatorial nature of islamic men and our non-muslim infidel whores. Especially when they are 12 years old.

 

[Proper Tidy]

How is it anything like those examples? This is a community that is self sufficient in terms of people living within it that often never ever venture out into the white areas, never leaving their streets. They shop three streets away, pray three streets away, and all their immediate family members here live within 600 yards.

Of course there are distinct communities in this cities. Unless your definition of "community" differs from mine.

Awful lot of conjecture and assertion here, not much evidence. You would be hard pushed to find any community in the UK which is wholly Muslim, or wholly Pakistani, or even wholly Asian. And 'the muslim community' is usually used as a euphemism for muslims in the UK. How does that constitute a community? A working class teenager in Bridgend is in the same community as a wealthy pensioner from Kensington?

 

[pk]

Sexual abuse of children below the age of consent is historically (notwithstanding the last 15 years of paedophobia) "ignored". Each time it has come to the public eye in the last 100 years or so, it hasn't been because of police work, or even too often because of crusading journalism. Most often it's been because incidents have come to light that are so horrific, the media are forced to pay attention, and therefore the general public get to hear about it.

Like I said earlier in the thread, the systematic grooming and sexual abuse of children in care has been going on (and being reported on) for as long as I can remember, which is back to the early '70s. That wasn't "British Pakistanis". it was white care-workers and even social workers.

3 more nonces banged up today:

I hope they enjoy the boiled sugar and razor blades in the prison food.

 

[ViolentPanda]

But there isn't. Talking about the Muslim community is as daft as talking about the disabled community or the driving community. It's bollocks.

Depends on the context, and depends on what the context-setter is trying to say, surely?

Obviously, talking about a homogeneous "Pakistani community" is as daft as talking about a homogeneous "gay community", but that doesn't stop people who see themselves as part of that "in group" from defining themselves as a member of that not-really-existing over-arching group.
Even when in reality what such supposed communities actually are is loose assemblages of disparate interests whose "membership" is called on most often to support the witterings of some member of an interest group who claims to represent such a community.

 

[Proper Tidy]

The over-representation from Arabic nations involved in grooming infidel girls...?

What about the bit where they said it isn't limited to muslims? Or the bit where they said the cause was social - deprivation, gang culture - rather than religious or cultural?

 

[pk]

Awful lot of conjecture and assertion here, not much evidence. You would be hard pushed to find any community in the UK which is wholly Muslim, or wholly Pakistani, or even wholly Asian.

Not that hard pushed. Bradford, Blackburn, Burnley all have examples of such communities.

And 'the muslim community' is usually used as a euphemism for muslims in the UK.

Not the way I use it.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

LOL, wut? OK...

Why is that funny? Do you really think that millions of people are one homogenous community? There will be a myriad of opinions in any of the groups mentioned. Mentioning the pakistani or catholic community is almost meaningless.

How does this quote help your case?

I'm not sure on that either.

Also no-one has suggested anything in practical terms of what should be done.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Depends on the context, and depends on what the context-setter is trying to say, surely?

Obviously, talking about a homogeneous "Pakistani community" is as daft as talking about a homogeneous "gay community", but that doesn't stop people who see themselves as part of that "in group" from defining themselves as a member of that not-really-existing over-arching group.
Even when in reality what such supposed communities actually are is loose assemblages of disparate interests whose "membership" is called on most often to support the witterings of some member of an interest group who claims to represent such a community.

Identity and community are not the same thing though. I have no doubt people identify themselves as belonging to various mythical communities, but they don't.

 

[Treacle Toes]

"most likely"

Let's see the facts, lets have a look. I'm not "obsessed" you silly girl, it's the thread topic.

How about you stop trying to patronise me you pathetic little man? You are obsessed and it is clear to see.

Plenty seem keen to sidestep the issue and treat it like it wasn't a problem at all, and there are no alarming incompatibilities between the dictatorial nature of islamic men and our non-muslim infidel whores. Especially when they are 12 years old.

The only thing I am side stepping is your obsession , oh and turning into a head patting, condescending mysoginst doesn't cover you in glory either...

Yeah, yeah I know...'at least you are not as bad as other men.'

 

[ViolentPanda]

3 more nonces banged up today:

I hope they enjoy the boiled sugar and razor blades in the prison food.

1) It's boiling sugar water, not sweets.

2) you're about as likely to find a razor blade in your food as you are to get a blowjob off of the Governor. More likely to find stones and glass.

 

[pk]

What about the bit where they said it isn't limited to muslims? Or the bit where they said the cause was social - deprivation, gang culture - rather than religious or cultural?

The causes probably are social, in most cases. But the attitude that white non-muslims = unclean infidel whores is a mindset that enables such crimes to happen far more commonly than they should.

If one or two of the immams stood up and said "Allah will roast your testicles if you rape children" and a comparable attitude towards child rape as we infidels have (i.e. the majority of UK residents would probably like to see predatory paedophiles castrated) you can bet there would be less of this shit going on.

As it is - influential people from the muslim world tend to look the other way and even cover the problem up.

Just like the Catholic priests did. So to me it is a religious/cultural thing.