Are you kidding? your diet is not 'basically' vegan if you eat fish and dairy and eggs
You're pescetarian.
same as if you only eat meat once every 4 months you're not a vegetarian.
Vegetarians! Why aren't you vegan?
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Are you kidding? your diet is not 'basically' vegan if you eat fish and dairy and eggs
You're pescetarian.
same as if you only eat meat once every 4 months you're not a vegetarian.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Yeah, but your diet would still be basically vegetarian.
I think that you set your own line with vegetarianism, really. For instance, most beer isn't veggie, as it's filtered through fish scales but, really, fuck not drinking beer. It's not as if vegetarianism is a religion or some prescribed set of rules that we are signing upto, it's a personal choice and, as such, it's really open to people to make their own minds up. I'm veeeeeeeeeeeery fucking far from being militant veggie - I hate anyone who tries to force their beliefs on other people or batter people with their holier than thou 'tood - so I've never been able to see why people are so interested in what I eat or why, really. Not this thread, but definitely some of my meat eating mates have tried to contradict my vegetarianism for...no apparent reason whatsoever.
Just make your own rules for absolutely everything in life, I say. Except when it comes to the law - I really can't be too clear on that.
Just make your own rules for absolutely everything in life, I say. Except when it comes to the law - I really can't be too clear on that.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
I did not know this!!
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
yep, and wine. Although more and more cheapo supermarket wines are vegan now.
I know what you mean about drawing your own line, ken, but if you're refraining from eating something because it is cruelly farmed then it kind of defeats the point if you eat other stuff which is gotten in equally as cruel/arguably more cruel situation.
I know what you mean about drawing your own line, ken, but if you're refraining from eating something because it is cruelly farmed then it kind of defeats the point if you eat other stuff which is gotten in equally as cruel/arguably more cruel situation.
mr steev
magic thought wizard
Here's a working link
http://www.enchant.me.uk/Vegetarian_beers.htmlNot all beers are veggie, but most are judging by that list
editor
hiraethified
The vast majority of ales, lagers and ciders are veggie.
Biddlybee
making knots with sticks
They're pescetarian
But sometimes it's easier if you're eating out/at someones house, to say you're vegetarian.
I think some people kind of see it like... the smaller the animal the smaller the suffering.
or perhaps only feel empathy for mammals because they can personify them more easily.
Why not wear fur then? Y'know? Why not get a job in Japan doing whaling if you are going to eat Happy Meals? If people are committed to eating meat, why doesn't everyone just kick puppies to death in the street for a laugh? Dig?
rapattaque
At fighting weight
Are you kidding? your diet is not 'basically' vegan if you eat fish and dairy and eggs
You're pescetarian.
same as if you only eat meat once every 4 months you're not a vegetarian.
Maybe. But i'm much more impressed with a person with a mainly vegan diet who catches, kills and eats their own fish, over holier than thou 'proper' vegans any day of the week.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
They're pescetarian
But sometimes it's easier if you're eating out/at someones house, to say you're vegetarian.
But the general assumption is that a "pescetarian" would have no problem with dairy ...
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
... of course you then get to the problem of living near a canal, not the sea, where the fishing becomes ritualised - albeit done with great care for the welfare of the fish ...
In the main I feel more regret about drowning the worms I dig up in my garden ....
In the main I feel more regret about drowning the worms I dig up in my garden ....
Biddlybee
making knots with sticks
He was talking about a vegetarian not a vegan, but I see your point... maybe a "pescan" or "pesco-vegan" ?
because those are different scenarios. the issues surrounding meat and dairy are both to do with the farming. Whaling and kicking puppies to death is not about the farming.
I'm just saying, you can pick and choose which bits to ignore so you can consume whatever you want, but the animals won't be picking and choosing whether they are born male or female (ie, die or live), and the whole point is that they don't have a choice - they are exploited for humans to eat when they could eat other food.
When I was veggie, I found it really annoying that people would say "but meat tastes nice". Yeah, it may do, but why kill something for it when you don't need to? humans don't need to eat meat anymore. So when it comes down to wanting to cut out the cheese etc for me it is as simple as that... you have to remember that you don't need it anymore and if you don't want a part in the cruelty to animals then you have to really do what pootle is saying and consider what you care about most - yummy cheese or the naminals!
just sayin.
mr steev
magic thought wizard
It's not you know
The meals you eat maybe predominantly vegan. but your diet isn't, nor is it veggie
eta: I'm not criticising btw.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
vegans are just attention seekers innit?
i'm going fruitarian next week, only eating things which have fallen from trees and bushes naturally cos i think its wrong to wrench living fruits and berries from their natural mothers.
i'm going fruitarian next week, only eating things which have fallen from trees and bushes naturally cos i think its wrong to wrench living fruits and berries from their natural mothers.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Nah, it doesn't. Avoiding meat means that you consume fewer meat products than someone who eats meat and dairy products. That's all there is to it, really. Eating cheese doesn't automatically mean you've eaten chicken too. Well, usually. I bet there's a market for chickeese.
It's not solely about consuming fewer products though, it's about eating better products in some way.
I wouldn't blink if someone ate line caught sprats everyday, but if someone was in the habit of 'only' eating bluefin tuna only twice a month/week/hour then you may quibble.
I arguably feel better eating huge amounts of small, tasty lamb than I do repeatedly eating shit cheese sarnies too fwiw. One seems a better use of resources and less cruel than the other iykwim
I wouldn't blink if someone ate line caught sprats everyday, but if someone was in the habit of 'only' eating bluefin tuna only twice a month/week/hour then you may quibble.
I arguably feel better eating huge amounts of small, tasty lamb than I do repeatedly eating shit cheese sarnies too fwiw. One seems a better use of resources and less cruel than the other iykwim
Idaho
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It's not you know
The meals you eat maybe predominantly vegan. but your diet isn't, nor is it veggie
eta: I'm not criticising btw.
He is saying that his diet is basically vegan, because he basically gets his nutrition from vegetables and staples. Which is basically a vegan diet. If someone eats veg and staples for 10 months of the year, then gorges on steak and eggs for 2 months. I would still say that their diet was basically vegan.
I think so many veggies actually get slightly OCD about the notion of dietary purity. That somehow they are 'cleaner' for not eating meat, fish, etc. This is mirrored by veggies' fear of touching meat, and belief that they would get sick if they ate any.
Idaho
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Yossarian
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I don't really think there's anywhere you can draw a line and say "this is a cruelty-free diet" or "no animals have been killed to bring me this food" though - even the strictest vegan's diet will mostly originate from farms that practice rodent control.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Yeah - there probably is less cruelty involved in eating small amounts of well-treated meat than lots of cheese. But, realistically, that isn't how most meat-eaters eat. For most people, the easiest way to consume fewer meat products is simply to cut out meat.
mr steev
magic thought wizard
I'm probably arguing semantics tbh. I think he would be better saying 'predominantly vegan' rather than 'basically'.
Basically implies that his diet only contains traces of animal products (perhaps gelatine capsules in medication or something) where as he eats fish, eggs, and dairy which is far from vegan. iyswim
Keith - I'm on no sleep in 48 hours, this probably ain't the time, tbh, because I can't even really understand what you are saying but I am aware it isn't that complex.
People are making a lot of generalisations about veggies - I don't fear meat, I fucking love bacon, chicken etc, but, personally, I can't hack sitting down to eat flesh any more. That's really all it is; not some massive ethical stance or something I use to batter people with - I, pure and simple, don't like eating flesh and that's that. I love animals and that was why I became veggie when I was 6, but nowadays I understand that animals are going to get hurt by dairy farming. I like cheese though and feel like I need it for protein, so I have to swallow that bitter little pill.
It's near enough impossible to be completely ethically sound and I am waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more concerned about the plight of humans than I am the plight of animals, yet I still own a tv, mp3 player etc etc etc probably put together by little kiddies in horrible factories somewhere and, seriously, I love asian kids, man. That's probably another thread altogether tbh, but take it on trust that I do. This is why I don't consider what I - meaning ME personally - eat to be an ethical stance per se, it's just I knows what I likes and can stands and I can't stands eating meat no more. More power to people stronger in their convictions than me but fuck off to them if they are gonna put me down for not matching their self imposed standards.
People are making a lot of generalisations about veggies - I don't fear meat, I fucking love bacon, chicken etc, but, personally, I can't hack sitting down to eat flesh any more. That's really all it is; not some massive ethical stance or something I use to batter people with - I, pure and simple, don't like eating flesh and that's that. I love animals and that was why I became veggie when I was 6, but nowadays I understand that animals are going to get hurt by dairy farming. I like cheese though and feel like I need it for protein, so I have to swallow that bitter little pill.
It's near enough impossible to be completely ethically sound and I am waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more concerned about the plight of humans than I am the plight of animals, yet I still own a tv, mp3 player etc etc etc probably put together by little kiddies in horrible factories somewhere and, seriously, I love asian kids, man. That's probably another thread altogether tbh, but take it on trust that I do. This is why I don't consider what I - meaning ME personally - eat to be an ethical stance per se, it's just I knows what I likes and can stands and I can't stands eating meat no more. More power to people stronger in their convictions than me but fuck off to them if they are gonna put me down for not matching their self imposed standards.
