US 'Hillbilly' coal worker says it like it is

[Casually Red]

It's quite a small rant, actually. And I don't usually deliver more than one per thread. You seem to nearly manage one per post.

It's 3 paragraphs full of shouty angry hyperbolic words . Massive rant . Massive red faced , sphincter clenching rant .

 

[existentialist]

It's 3 paragraphs full of shouty angry hyperbolic words . Massive rant . Massive red faced , sphincter clenching rant .

You speak with great authority on the matter, unsurprisingly

 

[Casually Red]

You speak with great authority on the matter, unsurprisingly

Indeed , as on most other matters . Hence no surprise .

 

[coley]

Indeed , as on most other matters . Hence no surprise .

Nice to see your developing a sense of humour

 

[Casually Red]

Flipping need one listening to the likes of you .

Joke

 

[terapija]

You're a clown . Clinton is capital. The personification of the problem . Her identity politics is her diversion from the economic and social issues affecting these people . Whilst Trumps identity politics is just the other side of the same coin . Clinton proudly boasting to an identity politics focused conference that she'd close the mines is the most classic example I can think of of a total disconnect between these middle class , arty farty, trendy liberals and workers struggling for basic survival .

Eta

A video here of the reception she got from coal workers families on a campaign stop . Can't believe she was maniacally waving and smiling at these people on the street . Total fucking disconnect .

Anger greets Hillary Clinton in West Virginia's coal country - The Washington Post

Workers struggling for basic survival in Western Europe and usa is a myth. It about social position. And you are racist.

 

[butchersapron]

Marvellous

 

[Nylock]

Workers struggling for basic survival in Western Europe and usa is a myth. It about social position.

What?

 

[Libertad]

Workers struggling for basic survival in Western Europe and usa is a myth. It about social position. And you are racist.

Is it really? Do you want to come and take a look in our food cupboard? Would you like to give me a hand riddling out the fire ashes to pick out any clinker that might burn again?

 

[existentialist]

Is it really? Do you want to come and take a look in our food cupboard? Would you like to give me a hand riddling out the fire ashes to pick out any clinker that might burn again?

I shouldn't imagine he's going to want to be troubled by mere facts...

 

[Nylock]

Is it really? Do you want to come and take a look in our food cupboard? Would you like to give me a hand riddling out the fire ashes to pick out any clinker that might burn again?

<offtopic>Do you stretch your coal out by mixing the dust and small bits with cement and burn that?</offtopic>

 

[Libertad]

<offtopic>Do you stretch your coal out by mixing the dust and small bits with cement and burn that?</offtopic>

No we don't. Why?

 

[TomUS]

Just for clarity's sake he's not even a coal worker, as it says in the title . As he points out the mining communities been decimated . He can't even get work down the mines and serves fast food instead for a pittance . Mines that Clinton infamously boasted shed close while addressing some Lbgtq identity politics conference .

Those coal mining jobs your beloved Donald promised aren't coming back no matter who the pres is. And in the long run, it's a good thing due to the environmental impact of burning coal compared to other energy sources.

The United States coal industry and the jobs that support it have been in decline for decades as a result of environmental concerns, automation in mining and slowdowns in manufacturing industries that burned coal for power.......And these days, no matter who is president, coal is at the mercy of market economics. Coal’s No. 1 rival is cheap, cleaner-burning natural gas — which could become an even more potent competitor under the incoming administration....“I don’t think the Trump presidency will have a material impact on bringing coal miners back to work,” said Ted O’Brien, a coal analyst...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/...tlook-for-trumps-promises-to-coal-miners.html

 

[High Voltage]

The selected part of the quote used by Trump - with a link to more of the speech putting the line below in context

we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business

Here's another part from the same speech, NOT quoted by Trump

Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on.

 

[Nylock]

No we don't. Why?

I just remember it from when I was younger. We used to make small blocks with the coal dust/bits & cement and then burn them on the fire... Burned pretty well too from what I remember...

 

[Casually Red]

The selected part of the quote used by Trump - with a link to more of the speech putting the line below in context

we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business

Here's another part from the same speech, NOT quoted by Trump

Her and her mates started putting these people out of work years ago . Plunging them into desperate poverty and wreaking social havoc and hopelessness . Only now ,many years later and when seeking election , does she start talking about schemes to ameliorate the devastation her class caused in those communities . Only now does she tick that box . And on examination her promises don't amount to anything substantial .
The time for such schemes was before they started closing mines , not almost a decade later when stumping for votes . Too little too late , they already demonstrated their contempt and their disconnect .

And to expect those people to even believe those electoral pledges when they're aware she told her wall street backers about having a public position ...for the rubes...and a private position for the elites...bare faced lying ...is to insult their intelligence many times over . Trump will most likely betray those people . But clinton and her ilk have already done it many times over . Her promises to address the social devastation she caused in the first place , long after the fact , are as empty as her Iraq " mistake " . Long after the fact and with an eye on an election . Nothing more than ticking a box for appearances sake . An empty cynical gesture long after the damage has already been done .

 

[teqniq]

Fuck me broken record territory again.

 

[Casually Red]

Fuck off then

 

[teqniq]

Not a chance. So absolutely fuck all to say about the guy and the issues he raises re: Trump? All about Hillary eh?

 

[kabbes]

Hillary lost, CR. She was shit and she lost. Whether not she would have been better than Trump is moot. We can forget about her now because she lost. You can't spend the next four years, every time a criticism is made of Trump, saying "but Hillary was worse". It's irrelevant at this point. Say something about the actual issue under discussion.

 

[Casually Red]

Hillary lost, CR. She was shit and she lost. Whether not she would have been better than Trump is moot. We can forget about her now because she lost. You can't spend the next four years, every time a criticism is made of Trump, saying "but Hillary was worse". It's irrelevant at this point. Say something about the actual issue under discussion.

The discussion I was having was with someone who was sticking up for Clinton and pointing to her campaign promises to help miners . Have a go at those people still sticking up for a lying irrelevance rather than telling me I'm not allowed to answer back .
Your position seems to be its ok to spend the next 4 years bigging up Clinton and nobody's allowed contradict it .

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The discussion I was having was with someone who was sticking up for Clinton and pointing to her campaign promises to help miners . Have a go at those people still sticking up for a lying irrelevance rather than telling me I'm not allowed to answer back .
Your position seems to be its ok to spend the next 4 years bigging up Clinton and nobody's allowed contradict it .

But your post repeated Trump's misrepresentation of Clinton's speech. It was a naive speech in that she should have realised that any part of it could be taken out of context and been very careful not to allow for such misrepresentation. But her boasts about closing mines came in a wider context that both Trump and you deliberately ignored.

The subject in hand now is Trump's lies. He said he was bringing coal back. He isn't. As the man in the OP points out, it's a lie.

 

[Casually Red]

But your post repeated Trump's misrepresentation of Clinton's speech. It was a naive speech in that she should have realised that any part of it could be taken out of context and been very careful not to allow for such misrepresentation. But her boasts about closing mines came in a wider context that both Trump and you deliberately ignored.

The subject in hand now is Trump's lies. He said he was bringing coal back. He isn't. As the man in the OP points out, it's a lie.

What was the misrepresentation or wrong context ? She said she was going to close all the mines and put the miners out of work . Shes no more naive than Thatcher . there's no wrong context at all . All you're doing here is bigging up the few crumbs she was promising to throw in her wake after finishing them off for good . Why are you making excuses for it ? There's no naïveté , no wrong context at all . She literally didnt give a shit . You're projecting a concern and wholesomeness that was totally non existent . She was disconnected , not naive and not out of any context .

We know Trumps a liar . What you and a few others here are doing is insisting Clinton wasn't . Stop doing that and I'll stop contradicting it . It's utter nonsense .

 

[High Voltage]

The discussion I was having was with someone who was sticking up for Clinton and pointing to her campaign promises to help miners

IF that's aimed at me - I was merely pointing out that the highly selected quote that Trump was using was not representative of the speech Clinton made. <---Full Stop

Personally, I couldn't give a flying fuck which one got elected as, in my opinion, they were each going to be as bad as the other once elected. And the very little I did see and hear of the American presidential campaigning I could see that there was more than enough, from both sides, of sneaky, underhand campaigning going on - if those two really were the best two candidates that could be found in all of America then it's a pretty sad state of affairs - my personal preference would have been for Bernie Sanders

 

[teqniq]

Fuck me broken record territory again.

 

[DotCommunist]

. He said he was bringing coal back.

another thing I liked about the vid- when he said 'coal aint coming back' it wasn't just calling trumps lie but recognition that the days of industrial scale coal burning are over, hence his talk of renewables etc.

 

[High Voltage]

The trouble with highly selective quotes is you can make anyone say anything - like this for instance

I

love

Clinton

 

[Casually Red]

The trouble with highly selective quotes is you can make anyone say anything - like this for instance

Again, there's nothing selective about it . Nothing out of context . You're just pointing to some additional flannel from Clinton after her boasts about closing the mines to try to make the point " look...she really cares " . And to make out you are cleverer than those people who told her to fuck off . People who's actual jobs and livelihoods are on the line ..or long gone thanks to her crew . And assuming they don't pay attention unlike clever old you and a few others .
She doesn't give a shit and never did, and couldn't have made that any clearer . And the people who knew that's the case aren't stupider than you . They've more wit .

The actual context here is those people's livelihoods and communities being deliberately destroyed by that crew for the past 8 years and absolutely nothing being done to ameliorate it , and now one of them comes along boasting shell finish it off entirely . But promising to provide a sticking plaster ..8 years later on the eve of an election..after taking a massive hatchet to them and bailing out wall st with their taxes . That's the context . Anyone sticking up for that needs their head examined .

 

[teqniq]

 

[existentialist]

Again, there's nothing selective about it . Nothing out of context . You're just pointing to some additional flannel from Clinton after her boasts about closing the mines to try to make the point " look...she really cares " . And to make out you are cleverer than those people who told her to fuck off . People who's actual jobs and livelihoods are on the line ..or long gone thanks to her crew . And assuming they don't pay attention unlike clever old you and a few others .
She doesn't give a shit and never did, and couldn't have made that any clearer . And the people who knew that's the case aren't stupider than you . They've more wit .

The actual context here is those people's livelihoods and communities being deliberately destroyed by that crew for the past 8 years and absolutely nothing being done to ameliorate it , and now one of them comes along boasting shell finish it off entirely . But promising to provide a sticking plaster ..8 years later on the eve of an election..after taking a massive hatchet to them and bailing out wall st with their taxes . That's the context . Anyone sticking up for that needs their head examined .

The most depressing thing about this is that the vote that people like you have is equally as valid as the vote I have.