US election 2020 thread

[Flavour]

Trump has conceded, albeit in a weaselly way.

Link?

 

[bimble]

There's loads of talk of 25th amendment again, from some pretty serious people this time.
But would that potentially be good for donald trump as in, if he's deemed unfit to be president would he also not be able to stand trial for anything?

 

[bimble]

If I was an American I’d be less concerned about a ramshackle pitch invasion by a few dozen lions than what oppressive shit the state will enact in response. Don’t cheerlead just because this bunch aren’t on our side.

Don't cheerlead what? the fact that police did nothing?

 

[ska invita]

The crisis ain't gonna get better in the coming years. Fertile ground for some other shitcunt

Certainly Trump has successfully ploughed the field, but I think it needs a good farmer to come along and really work the land for something more to grow...far from impossible, but also possible it all just turn into a muddy bog.

Agree with LBJ, this round of actions this last year comes across amateurish - like overexcited cosplayers. Lets hope it stays that way.

The right wing internet, the whole sweep of it from Qanon to Fox celebs and Sarah Palin, seem to be saying just one thing right now, that any violence or embarrassing behaviour you saw yesterday was not real magas but a big antifa false flag operation, communists disguised as patriots.

Evidence of the overall lack of seriousness there IMO. If they were serious theyd be doubling down now

Some polling just in from Yougov

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20% is a serious number of people And a majority of publicans. Question is how soft is that support

 

[agricola]

Link?

from the Guardian:

Trump: 'there will be an orderly transition on 20 January'

Trump’s social media aide Dan Scavino has tweeted a “Statement by President Donald J. Trump on the Electoral Certification”:

Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out*, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!”

*The facts do not bear Trump out.

 

[brogdale]

Link?

Not possible; his twitter's gone

 

[Lord Camomile]

So, the people who did this strolled in and then walked out again, taking souvenirs with them. There is just no possible way that the security services were totally surprised by the events of the day, not a chance, it was advertised for weeks, by the actual president 'come on down on 6th it will be wild' etc.

I flicked onto BBC news at one point and they were in the middle of interviewing a woman, I'm not sure exactly who she was but they made reference to her once being a police officer, and she said police would have been surprised because "one of the events had a permit, so they wouldn't have expected them to break their permit, and the other didn't, so they weren't expecting that one either".

Uh-huh...

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

There's loads of talk of 25th amendment again, from some pretty serious people this time.
But would that potentially be good for donald trump as in, if he's deemed unfit to be president would he also not be able to stand trial for anything?

They're not talking 'unfitness' on the grounds of insanity are they? More on the grounds of being a total cunt, which isn't an excuse in a court of law AFAIK.

 

[Shechemite]

I was thinking that last night. Trump has lost. His deranged supporters storming the white hosiery doesn’t change that, but will no doubt be used to justify increasing the power of tne state.

If I was an American I’d be less concerned about a ramshackle pitch invasion by a few dozen lions than what oppressive shit the state will enact in response. Don’t cheerlead just because this bunch aren’t on our side.

Edit: hosiery was an autocorrect error to good to amend

 

[Roadkill]

Interesting how a lot of the American news outlets are comparing what happened yesterday with the British burning the White House down in 1814. Normally the yanks don't like talking about that!

 

[bimble]

They're not talking 'unfitness' on the grounds of insanity are they? More on the grounds of being a total cunt, which isn't an excuse in a court of law AFAIK.

i think it is, 25th amendment means mad not bad.

 

[Lord Camomile]

There's loads of talk of 25th amendment again, from some pretty serious people this time.
But would that potentially be good for donald trump as in, if he's deemed unfit to be president would he also not be able to stand trial for anything?

I have to assume/hope that the two things are held to different standards!

 

[Crispy]

Beautiful, white, blonde, cop, veteran. They couldn't have asked for a better martyr

 

[agricola]

Interesting how a lot of the American news outlets are comparing what happened yesterday with the British burning the White House down in 1814. Normally the yanks don't like talking about that!

Cory Booker tried to claim the British forces were following the flag of a cult leader as well, which was complete rubbish.

 

[hitmouse]

The right wing internet, the whole sweep of it from Qanon to Fox celebs and Sarah Palin, seem to be saying just one thing right now, that any violence or embarrassing behaviour you saw yesterday was not real magas but a big antifa false flag operation, communists disguised as patriots.

I'm impressed by this one, which is apparently doing the rounds:

There were pictures of these two's faces posted on the Philly Antifa site, which must PROVE that they were antifa thugs, right? Except, um, can anyone else think of any other reasons why someone's face might be posted on an antifa site? ...Oh yeah, that would explain it.

 

[JimW]

And a majority of publicans.

Inn surrectionists.

 

[A380]

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He’s just taking a stand for something he believes in.

 

[Ax^]

Trump has conceded, albeit in a weaselly way.

linkage

 

[Crispy]

Oh, and the formalities are finally done. All that's left is the swearing in.

 

[agricola]

Colbert has excelled himself:

 

[petee]

“A woman was shot dead by police and three others died of "medical emergencies"

What were/are the medical emergencies?

i understand that one tased himself into a heart attack (seriously) and another was close to a flash-bang device and died of fright.

 

[hitmouse]

Not has any other senior goverment minister.

very fine beacons of democracy and freedom on both sides.

 

[Ax^]

Not has any other senior goverment minister.

would not want to Annoy her base support of loonies

 

[rekil]

Impressive work from this ITV crew:

Someone with a rifle at 5:58 next to shot patriot.

 

[Orang Utan]

Not possible; his twitter's gone

How do you know then?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

i think it is, 25th amendment means mad not bad.

As I understand it although that was the circumstances they envisaged when they brought in the amendment, it's not how they're speculating it would be used now.

It would be a different standard anyway, I don't think there'd be an issue putting him on trial because of that.

 

[Roadkill]

i think it is, 25th amendment means mad not bad.

It refers to a President 'unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.' It's likely that was framed mainly with insanity or physical disability in mind, but it could be interpreted more broadly. Senior Repubs evidently talking about it...

 

[SpookyFrank]

If I was an American I’d be less concerned about a ramshackle pitch invasion by a few dozen lions than what oppressive shit the state will enact in response. Don’t cheerlead just because this bunch aren’t on our side.

More concerning is the apparent complicity/capitulation of the police. The fact these people largely seem to have been allowed to wander off home, and the vast and painfully obvious difference between that and the policing of black people engaged in genuinely peaceful protest, tells you all you need to know about whether ordinary americans should trust law enforcement.

 

[platinumsage]

Someone with a rifle at 5:58 next to shot patriot.

That's a cop, there were a few cops on the protestors' side of the door before the woman was shot from the other side and they tended to her immediately.

Video here:

Spoiler

 

[tendril]

What were/are the medical emergencies?

Being a trump supporter?