Urban v's the Commentariat

[Sue]

QT is not a politics show, it's an entertainment show.

 

[treelover]

Put next to Laurie Penny because how else can you get people like that to look competent?

Laura makes the big time...

 

[goldenecitrone]

Laura makes the big time...

Thought she was wearing her famous red jacket at first. Not said much, but appears to be reasonably good at public speaking.

 

[J Ed]

Thought she was wearing her famous red jacket at first. Not said much, but appears to be reasonably good at public speaking.

I've always admired the confidence of private school kids if nothing else

 

[purenarcotic]

Ken Clarke really is a fucking idiot, isn't he.

A complete fucking idiot.

She's made some good points but I've thought she's been a bit weak at being heard tbh.

 

[rosecore]

Crowd-pleasing, empty rhetoric.

 

[treelover]

Ken Clarke really is a fucking idiot, isn't he.

A complete fucking idiot.

She's made some good points but I've thought she's been a bit weak at being heard tbh.

He seems to be going further to the right and a bit senile...

 

[DaveCinzano]

I look forward to the tweeting of green room pics of her unwinding post-match with her class cohorts.

 

[goldenecitrone]

I've always admired the confidence of private school kids if nothing else

Indeed. One of the many advantages of a private school education.

 

[Greebo]

Indeed. One of the many advantages of a private school education.

Along with the connections.

 

[butchersapron]

He seems to be going further to the right and a bit senile...

He's always been right-wing (see his youthful Mosleyite flirtation) he's just been able to mug a few people into thinking he's a decent chap because he was pro-europe at a time when the EU social model hadn't yet been finally killed (it was later killed by the pro-business pro-eu people like Clarke).

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've always admired the confidence of private school kids if nothing else

The confidence usually being a cover for "all sound and fury, signifying nothing", or "hot air" as my granny called it.

 

[J Ed]

The confidence usually being a cover for "all sound and fury, signifying nothing", or "hot air" as my granny called it.

I know but in a way that makes it even more impressive

 

[butchersapron]

Or repulsive.

 

[DotCommunist]

its just bone deep arrogance, a trait that can be innate but is taught with them lot

 

[DaveCinzano]

its just bone deep arrogance, a trait that can be innate but is taught with them lot

In a way, they are the victims.

 

[DotCommunist]

they have their spoke on the wheel of oppression.

 

[el-ahrairah]

In a way, they are the victims.

they will be, if my plans for revenge class justice come to anything.

 

[DaveCinzano]

they will be, if my plans for revenge class justice come to anything.

Did no one tell you? There's no justice...

 

[el-ahrairah]

well, we'll stick with revenge then. delicious juicy revenge, from concentrate.

 

[DaveCinzano]

well, we'll stick with revenge then. delicious juicy revenge, from concentrate.

Pithy and to the point.

 

[DotCommunist]

the man from del monte, he say 'DEATH TO BOURGEOISIE MOUTHPIECES'

 

[butchersapron]

This is most definitely not made up:

I enjoy wearing the Hiajab - Laurie Penny

When we were well enough to walk in the hospital gardens, Sara and I would spend long hours kvetching: she shared with me the privations of compulsory Islamic dress, whilst I lamented the pressure to constantly appear feminine and sexy that I experienced as a British teenager raised by atheists.

In the end, there was only one thing for it: we decided to swap clothes for a fortnight. Sara wore skintight tracksuits and her short, spiky hair uncovered; I wore an Abaya with full headscarf which she taught me to fold and tuck.

I still enjoy wearing hijab, but out of respect to the many full-time veil-wearers in my area of London I only wear it around the house. Maybe that's weird - but it's no weirder than the many women who are happiest prancing around their living rooms in frilly underwear or, in the case of one particular friend of mine, eight-inch spike heels and a steel-bone corset.

Of course, it's doubly ironic that it's that she can't be seen not being seen but is making sure we see her not being seen.

 

[killer b]

what the fuck?

 

[DotCommunist]

LOL

 

[DaveCinzano]

Thought she was wearing her famous red jacket at first.

She got a gig at Butlins? Way to bum out the holidaymakers

 

[Favelado]

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

 

[goldenecitrone]

What was striking was that when we took trips to the shops in our new gladrags, both of us felt immensely liberated: our bodies were finally our own, hers to show off as she pleased, mine to cover if I wanted. For the first time since puberty, I felt that people might be seeing the real me, rather than looking at my body. This flavour of freedom, which for some women is central to self-respect, is just as valid and important a choice as the freedom to go bare-legged and low-cut -- and a truly progressive Western culture would respect both./QUOTE]

 

[frogwoman]

Its as bad as Julie burchill with her fucking "i love your people so much, apart from your food and humour" bullshit

when i was at uni, one of my mates considered converting to islam and tried to do ramadan and adopt muslim clothing (although not the hijab) she had a muslim boyfriend at the time who found out and went mental - they ended up breaking up over it

wonder how muslims feel about this? (or people from a muslim background)

 

[J Ed]

Oh Laurie