Urban v's the Commentariat

[ViolentPanda]

Has godwins law been invoked yet?

No, but frankly I've always believed that you're worse than the Nazis, you swine!

 

[DaveCinzano]

Just because you're the victim du jour doesn't make your experience unique.

The Juwes are the men who will not be blamed for nothing

 

[DaveCinzano]

They see class.

But is the class they see half-full or half-empty?

 

[toggle]

I imagine that she probably gets a lot of abuse from MRAs and other acronyms on twitter that probably outweigh any criticism from the left around the sort of issues on this thread.

nods. there is a result of that barrage of abuse that leads commentariati to build up walls to protect themselves from that, but in practice it looks little different to a deliberately arrogant refusal to engage with any criticism outside their own circle.

 

[startalk]

It was more fun with Sam on here

 

[ViolentPanda]

But also "these days" - yes some truth there, but it'll be the chinese (or whoever) in ten years. Just because you're the victim du jour doesn't make your experience unique.

Yup. 100-120 years ago it was my mob (eastern European Jews) and the Irish getting the shitty end of the stick because a tiny minority of us happened to think London would look better remodelled with a little bit of dynamite. Then it was German "fifth columnists" and the Irish, then just the Irish for a long old time. The state will always have an enemy, and if the traditional ones disappear, why then they'll just manufacture a new one!

 

[Bakunin]

The Juwes are the men who will not be blamed for nothing

As written in one of the letters allegedly written by Jack the Ripper, IIRC.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I see people... I don't see their class, creed, nationality, race, gender or sexuality. These things are irrelevant to humanity and the sooner we forget them the better. All of these stupid divisions are as inconsequential as hair colour, height, intelligence or fashion taste. Humanity will never achieve its potential because we are obsessed with our differences.

Fucking hippy!

 

[ViolentPanda]

As written in one of the letters allegedly written by Jack the Ripper, IIRC.

With another comment on a wall near a victim's body, that the then commissioner of the Met removed from the wall with his hankerchief.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Imagine the agonies of PC squirming that went into that phrase.

Imagine you weren't a smug, self-satisfied shitsack.

 

[ViolentPanda]

My housemate is Bangladeshi, my other housemate is from Cumbria. We all live in the same house that's falling apart, all work similar hours, we shop at the same shops and sometimes eat the same food.

I don't know what the others would say but in terms of whose experience is closer to mine out of my housemates and say David Aaronovitch I think I would say that my housemates experience are closer. Someone like that may have experienced racism but to some extent their class position is such,that it doesn't matter any more. If I have a racist boss I may well have to put up with it until I get another job (which may be never) if David aaronovitch has a racist boss he can write about it in the guardian, its not exactly rocket science is it?

I see the words "David Aaronovich", and I think to myself "at least his brother Ben is a decent bloke (and a good fiction author)".

 

[ViolentPanda]

ach the likes are drying up. when are you going to make another hit

you don't just write a song like creep you know

Or even a song like "hit the bottle".

 

[Pickman's model]

Like I said, no one cares about youse

 

[startalk]

very funny violent panda. very funny

 

[Pickman's model]

*talk to the hand*

it's this sort of closely argued post which typifies the cut and thrust of debate here on urban.

 

[TruXta]

http://www.newstatesman.com/culture...epresent-every-woman-and-why-it-shouldnt-have

Laurie Penny on Girls and Lena Dunham. TRIGGER WARNING

 

[ViolentPanda]

they're not homogenous. they come in two types

I know they're not homogeneous.
You know they're not homogeneous.
Some people don't know that they're not homogeneous, or at least don't care to know.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're a homogenous group.

I am indeed. I contain identical multitudes. I am Legion!!!

 

[Pickman's model]

No.. I have a blog that is frequently linked to from this site.

and the comments on it are generally disparaging

 

[ViolentPanda]

getting into JaJa Binks territory here

Gollum territory, you dick.

 

[TruXta]

I am indeed. I contain identical multitudes. I am Legion!!!

Greebo get the exorcism kit out, pronto!

Deus, in nómine tuo salvum me fac,
et virtúte tua age causam meam.
Deus, audi oratiónem meam;
áuribus pércipe verba oris mei.

Nam supérbi insurréxunt contra me, et violénti quasiérunt vitam meam;
non proposuérunt Deum ante óculos suos.

Ecce, Deus ádjuvat me,
óminus susténtat vitam meam.

Retórque malum in adversários meos,
et pro fidelitáte tua déstrue ilos.

Voluntárie sacrificábo tibi,
celebrábo nomen tuum, Dómine, quia bonum est.

Nam ex omni tribulatióne eripuit me,
et inimícos meos confúsos vidit óculos meus

 

[startalk]

I know they're not homogeneous.
You know they're not homogeneous.
Some people don't know that they're not homogeneous, or at least don't care to know.

that was quite funny to be fair

 

[ViolentPanda]

What's wrong with being a Trotskyist?

Besides the arrogance inherent to vanguardism?

 

[startalk]

most bullies don't realise that they are bullies.

they were bullied and they don't realise how sick it is what they are doing because that is how they relate to people. noone wants to be horrible, it just takes a lot to have that level of awareness to see yourself from the 3rd person.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Greebo get the exorcism kit out, pronto!

Deus, in nómine tuo salvum me fac,
et virtúte tua age causam meam.
Deus, audi oratiónem meam;
áuribus pércipe verba oris mei.

Nam supérbi insurréxunt contra me, et violénti quasiérunt vitam meam;
non proposuérunt Deum ante óculos suos.

Ecce, Deus ádjuvat me,
óminus susténtat vitam meam.

Retórque malum in adversários meos,
et pro fidelitáte tua déstrue ilos.

Voluntárie sacrificábo tibi,
celebrábo nomen tuum, Dómine, quia bonum est.

Nam ex omni tribulatióne eripuit me,
et inimícos meos confúsos vidit óculos meus

Only works on Christians, dear boy!

 

[Bakunin]

I am indeed. I contain identical multitudes. I am Legion!!!

VP, yesterday:

 

[Pickman's model]

Greebo get the exorcism kit out, pronto!

Deus, in nómine tuo salvum me fac,
et virtúte tua age causam meam.
Deus, audi oratiónem meam;
áuribus pércipe verba oris mei.

Nam supérbi insurréxunt contra me, et violénti quasiérunt vitam meam;
non proposuérunt Deum ante óculos suos.

Ecce, Deus ádjuvat me,
óminus susténtat vitam meam.

Retórque malum in adversários meos,
et pro fidelitáte tua déstrue ilos.

Voluntárie sacrificábo tibi,
celebrábo nomen tuum, Dómine, quia bonum est.

Nam ex omni tribulatióne eripuit me,
et inimícos meos confúsos vidit óculos meus

Les cloîtres anciens sur leurs grandes murailles
Etalaient en tableaux la sainte Vérité,
Dont l'effet réchauffant les pieuses entrailles,
Tempérait la froideur de leur austérité.

En ces temps où du Christ florissaient les semailles,
Plus d'un illustre moine, aujourd'hui peu cité,
Prenant pour atelier le champ des funérailles,
Glorifiait la Mort avec simplicité.

— Mon âme est un tombeau que, mauvais cénobite,
Depuis l'éternité je parcours et j'habite;
Rien n'embellit les murs de ce cloître odieux.

Ô moine fainéant! quand saurai-je donc faire
Du spectacle vivant de ma triste misère
Le travail de mes mains et l'amour de mes yeux?

 

[ViolentPanda]

They see class.

It's not the analysis, it's the "we will lead the proles to a better world"ism that peeves.

 

[Pickman's model]

VP, yesterday:

vp tomorrow

 

[ViolentPanda]

Christ but I've always hated the Anti-Nowhere League, the Tonbridge tossrags!