Ukraine: Unsubstantiated rumours and speculation

[DaveCinzano]

That’s Tosh, Tiny and Tone. They were on the balcony with me.

You can tell they're Brits rather than Yank operators because they stop for tiffin

 

[spitfire]

…Yank operators…

I see you know army words too. Are you one of “them”?

I mean “us”?

 

[spitfire]

Nononono I mean “them”.

Fuck.

 

[DaveCinzano]

It is a longstanding policy of mine not to comment on , , or, indeed, .

 

[Yossarian]

I see you know army words too. Are you one of “them”?

That's a Texas-sized 10-4, good buddy ....whoops, no, those are trucker words.

 

[spitfire]

That's a Texas-sized 10-4, good buddy ....whoops, no, those are trucker words.

You'll have to go back to Walt College I'm afraid.

Even with that name, "we" can smell you.

 

[spitfire]

Walt Point.

That's the best one.

You get a ring. (Not the Amazon one).

 

[LDC]

You can tell they're Brits rather than Yank operators because they stop for tiffin

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That's not the SAS, it's Meal Team 6 looking at the size of him.

 

[spitfire]

That's not the SAS, it's Meal Team 6 looking at the size of him.

You don't know man you weren't there.











I'll stop now sorry.

 

[Ming]

That's not the SAS, it's Meal Team 6 looking at the size of him.

UK Gravy SEALs

 

[T & P]

Mind you, sending Clarkson, Hammond and May on a car challenge in Eastern Ukraine would probably be cause the Russians to retreat back to their own territory.

 

[WouldBe]

UK Gravy SEALs

One hell of a lot of gravy.

 

[two sheds]

Mind you, sending Clarkson, Hammond and May on a car challenge in Eastern Ukraine would probably be cause the Russians to retreat back to their own territory.

And you'd think there'd be huge public support for the manoeuvre.

 

[Ming]

I wonder when they'll start requesting Apache attack helicopters? Seems like the next step.

 

[Dogsauce]

I wonder when they'll start requesting Apache attack helicopters? Seems like the next step.

They have a Black Hawk bought privately that they’re getting on OK with. Though attack helicopters aren’t particularly resilient in an environment with lots of air defence, what they have they’re using for stand-off strikes with unguided rockets, which seems barely worth the risk.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Claims that Russia's 72nd Brigade and Wagner have been having contretemps over Bakhmut, to the point of a Lt-Col of the former being captured by the latter and made to do a video in which he says he's been a very naughty boy currently percolating - bizarre:

 

[DaveCinzano]

Claims that Russia's 72nd Brigade and Wagner have been having contretemps over Bakhmut, to the point of a Lt-Col of the former being captured by the latter and made to do a video in which he says he's been a very naughty boy currently percolating - bizarre:

This elsewhere on the makeup of 72nd:

 

[DaveCinzano]

Claims that Russia's 72nd Brigade and Wagner have been having contretemps over Bakhmut, to the point of a Lt-Col of the former being captured by the latter and made to do a video in which he says he's been a very naughty boy currently percolating - bizarre:

Now being shifted into the still not substantiated but aired in the less crackpot places column

Wagner captures Russian commander as Prigozhin feud with army escalates

Lt Col Roman Venevitin seen telling interrogator he ordered troops to shoot at convoy of mercenaries

www.theguardian.com

 

[2hats]

Maybe the Russians are trying to get one step ahead of the farmers this time.

🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons)

#Ukraine:The 🇷🇺MoD claimed the destruction of Ukrainian Leopard 2 tanks during the recent counter-offensive- hitting a new level of cope. The vehicles targeted by ATGM from Ka-52 not only don't resemble tanks but are in fact innocent agricultural equipment- a sprayer & combines.

nitter.net

 

[keybored]

Maybe the Russians are trying to get one step ahead of the farmers this time.

🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons)

#Ukraine:The 🇷🇺MoD claimed the destruction of Ukrainian Leopard 2 tanks during the recent counter-offensive- hitting a new level of cope. The vehicles targeted by ATGM from Ka-52 not only don't resemble tanks but are in fact innocent agricultural equipment- a sprayer & combines.

nitter.net

An easy mistake to make.

 

[DaveCinzano]

An easy mistake to make.
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465 times better than the Leopard 2

 

[strung out]

Maybe the Russians are trying to get one step ahead of the farmers this time.

🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons)

#Ukraine:The 🇷🇺MoD claimed the destruction of Ukrainian Leopard 2 tanks during the recent counter-offensive- hitting a new level of cope. The vehicles targeted by ATGM from Ka-52 not only don't resemble tanks but are in fact innocent agricultural equipment- a sprayer & combines.

nitter.net

Perhaps this useful infographic will help confused Russian soldiers?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Now being shifted into the still not substantiated but aired in the less crackpot places column

Wagner captures Russian commander as Prigozhin feud with army escalates

Lt Col Roman Venevitin seen telling interrogator he ordered troops to shoot at convoy of mercenaries

www.theguardian.com

Now Venevetin reported as denouncing Wagner in a different possibly-under-duress video:

...“The tension with the Wagners for me and my brigade began from the first days of our transfer to the [Bakhmut] direction,” said Venevitin in a new video, which was uploaded to the Internet and sent to journalists earlier this week. “This was due not only to provoking our fighters into conflicts with their audacious behaviour and constant threats to [kill] us, but also by their concrete actions.”

Venevitin, whose identity relatives have previously confirmed to the Guardian, claimed that this soldiers had been systematically kidnapped, abused, and sometimes subjected to sexual violence, using a slang for prison rape. He also claimed that Wagner had stolen two T-80 tanks, four machine guns, as well as a truck and an armoured fighting vehicle...

Wagner group accused of stoking ‘anarchy’ on Russia’s frontlines

Kremlin commander claimed the mercenaries had kidnapped and tortured his soldiers during battle for Bakhmut

www.theguardian.com

 

[Fez909]

This is obviously hyperbolic nonsense. But there's some convincing chat/images about a decree relating to Wagner in the comments below the Tweet.

These are possibly true, given the rumours that Shoigu has ordered all PMCs to be placed under direct control of the Russion Armed Forces.

There also more unsubstantiated crap around this, such as:



This could all be NAFO/UKR disinfo, but I think there's a decent chance that something is sparking here.

 

[Raheem]

Would it be the first civil war ever to be fought predominantly in a neighbouring country? Is there a precedent?

 

[DaveCinzano]

BREAKING:

Prigozhin just put in an offer for Twitter - huge if true

 

[DaveCinzano]

Russian air force bombing targets in Voronezh:

 

[Bingoman]

Interesting if true

Lukashenko ‘struggling to keep Wagner troops from attacking Poland’

Belarusian leader claims he is doing his best to prevent mercenaries from crossing border into neighbouring country

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[likesfish]

I wonder when they'll start requesting Apache attack helicopters? Seems like the next step.

somebody in the AAC reckoned sending apache would be a short weekend the Russians have an insane amount of low level air defence kit virtually every bmp carried at least one man portable sam and with that level of missiles heading in your general direction even the best flying and defensive aids can only do so much.
as captain flasheart said the average life expextancy of a pilot is 20 minutes!

 

[DaveCinzano]

Murky shenanigans in South Africa:

Russian Doll — an assassination, abductions and the mystery of Lady R

Colonel Frans Mathipa was shot in the head and killed by unknown assassins on Sunday, 6 August. Who are the skilled shooters who murdered a seasoned investigator in the Hawks’ Crimes Against the State Unit? Is there a link to a SANDF Special Forces unit that is alleged to have abducted civilians...

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