agricola
a genuine importer of owls
there are multiple types of APFSDS rounds that we could have sent which do not use DU, though
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, Feb 2022 - tangentially related crap
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there are multiple types of APFSDS rounds that we could have sent which do not use DU, though
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
This is very true - moving pillboxes might be a good way of describing them. It's both a part of Ru doctrine - which is smash the shit out of everything with artillery, then send the tanks and inf to mop up, and Ru lack of training: they simply can't do the intimate manouvere of armour and inf moving together onto the enemy with artillery suppor. It's a variation of smash the shit from a distance, then send the inf in. Fortunately the gun and FCS make them pretty inaccurate in the indirect fire role - though of course, if you've enough, you don't need that much accuracy - shotgun style.
Ukraine could do without them. They'll soak up lots of fire, and even if they're shit, a javelin that you've fired at a T-55 is a javelin you can't fire at a T-14...
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Do you genuinely believe that army's keep different types of APFSDS ammunition stocked to account for the sensibilities of guardian readers?
Polly Toynbee says Tungsten only for use in Ukraine, but if 3rd Soviet Shock Army gets to Berlin you can break out the bad boys?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
No, but I do believe that this is not the time for stupid gestures. We are supplying a small number of tanks, and no doubt a small number of shells for them. There is an alternative that doesn't cause this row, and as far as has been reported this is something that not even the Yanks have done.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
If the Ukrainians don't want DU ammunition they won't fire it, and will use HESH instead. They are the experts in what they think appropriate both for their war, and their country in the long run.
No one else is making a fuss about DU ammunition. It's just you.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
The ‘row’ is fabricated outrage by Russia. They have and use DU rounds too, there’s no moral high ground being offered.
not-bono-ever
meh
They are still trying to get closure on the historical use of DU in Montenegro . I’m not a boffin but I have been to sites that are still fenced off or have been extensively/ expensively cleaned up since. And I’m pretty sure it wasn’t in widespread use at the time. But yeh
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
they have them, but have they been used in this conflict?
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Reportedly, yes. Tanks were converted to fire them in 2018, though I suspect that Russia’s infamously tardy military industry hasn’t churned out that many yet.
This is what Russian news agency Tass stated at the time.
Now the same news mouthpiece is claiming such usage “violates the fundamentals norms of international law”.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
A sight to warm any tankies heart.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Now’s a good time for Pakistan to have a pop at India, their military is grinding to a halt as 60% of all their gear is Russian and Russia has halted supplies of spares…
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Shame they don’t mention the white phosphorus used on civilians
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Ukraine-supporting hackers managed to access the account of a Russian activist who had been raising funds to purchase drones for the invading forces. They spent the $25,000 he had raised on sex toys at Ali Express instead of the intended drone purchases.
JimW
支那暗杀团
That's his story anyway
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
now's a good time for the chinese to have a pop at taiwan, while the americans are sending all that ammunition and so many missiles to ukraine
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Not sure of the best place to post this as the Georgia threads are all pretty ancient and this does relate to Russian hegemony. Interesting article from the FT's Nadia Beard in Tblisi on the mood there which defeated the proposed anti-foreign-funded-media law.
including attitude to Russian exiles:
snippage
archived. How Georgians came together to fight a Russian-inspired law | Financi…
including attitude to Russian exiles:
snippage
archived. How Georgians came together to fight a Russian-inspired law | Financi…
Smangus
comatose at a desk
So what's this about and why is it worth a watch?
gosub
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Russias demographics problem pensions etc. Was bad even before Mr Putin decided to throw large portions of Russia's youth into a meat grinder
nogojones
spelling is overrated
That Russian pensions are fucked, but still better than ones in the UK
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
The war is reportedly improving attitudes toward LGBT people in Ukraine
Thousands of gay people are serving in the Ukrainian armed forces, often sporting a rainbow badge next to the Ukrainian blue and yellow on their uniform. LGBT groups have also been at the forefront of humanitarian volunteering. Their visibility has led to a sea-change in Ukrainian society...
...Sofiia Lapina, head of Ukrainepride, an NGO, argues that the shift in attitudes on gay issues partly reflects Ukrainian aspirations to be culturally and politically closer to Europe. It is also a way, she adds, for Ukrainians to oppose Vladimir Putin’s repressive Russia, which has outlawed “homosexual propaganda” and characterises the war in Ukraine as an existential battle against the West’s supposed promotion of gay marriage, rampant paedophilia and gender-neutral pronouns.
Ukrainian LGBT groups have documented how lesbian and gay people in Russian-occupied territories have been hunted down, raped, detained and humiliated. Tattoos of gay symbols are as much a red flag to Russian troops as Ukrainian tridents. Transgender people there are afraid to go out into the streets. Ms Lapina says “Ukrainians have begun to see more clearly that hate in any form—racism, homophobia—is basically Russian propaganda.”
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Thousands of gay people are serving in the Ukrainian armed forces, often sporting a rainbow badge next to the Ukrainian blue and yellow on their uniform. LGBT groups have also been at the forefront of humanitarian volunteering. Their visibility has led to a sea-change in Ukrainian society...
...Sofiia Lapina, head of Ukrainepride, an NGO, argues that the shift in attitudes on gay issues partly reflects Ukrainian aspirations to be culturally and politically closer to Europe. It is also a way, she adds, for Ukrainians to oppose Vladimir Putin’s repressive Russia, which has outlawed “homosexual propaganda” and characterises the war in Ukraine as an existential battle against the West’s supposed promotion of gay marriage, rampant paedophilia and gender-neutral pronouns.
Ukrainian LGBT groups have documented how lesbian and gay people in Russian-occupied territories have been hunted down, raped, detained and humiliated. Tattoos of gay symbols are as much a red flag to Russian troops as Ukrainian tridents. Transgender people there are afraid to go out into the streets. Ms Lapina says “Ukrainians have begun to see more clearly that hate in any form—racism, homophobia—is basically Russian propaganda.”
Ukraine’s gay soldiers fight Russia—and for their rights | The Econom…
archived 9 Apr 2023 17:10:31 UTC
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
This is kind of crazy. A few days ago footage from a Russian tank of a strike by a loitering munition on the tank was circulating on Twitter, although the strike dodged below the ‘cope cage’ screen and scored more or less a direct hit the tank survived. Anyhow, someone has now paired this footage with video of the strike from the other side (Ukraine). This is modern warfare on camera from both side’s perspective.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
unavailable tweets...
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
it’s age restricted apparently (though nothing gruesome at all), so you need to be logged in to see it. Apologies to those who can’t, it’s a video otherwise I’d have done a screenshot as is the usual courtesy.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
The war is reportedly improving attitudes toward LGBT people in Ukraine
Thousands of gay people are serving in the Ukrainian armed forces, often sporting a rainbow badge next to the Ukrainian blue and yellow on their uniform. LGBT groups have also been at the forefront of humanitarian volunteering. Their visibility has led to a sea-change in Ukrainian society...
...Sofiia Lapina, head of Ukrainepride, an NGO, argues that the shift in attitudes on gay issues partly reflects Ukrainian aspirations to be culturally and politically closer to Europe. It is also a way, she adds, for Ukrainians to oppose Vladimir Putin’s repressive Russia, which has outlawed “homosexual propaganda” and characterises the war in Ukraine as an existential battle against the West’s supposed promotion of gay marriage, rampant paedophilia and gender-neutral pronouns.
Ukrainian LGBT groups have documented how lesbian and gay people in Russian-occupied territories have been hunted down, raped, detained and humiliated. Tattoos of gay symbols are as much a red flag to Russian troops as Ukrainian tridents. Transgender people there are afraid to go out into the streets. Ms Lapina says “Ukrainians have begun to see more clearly that hate in any form—racism, homophobia—is basically Russian propaganda.”
Ukraine’s gay soldiers fight Russia—and for their rights | The Econom…
archived 9 Apr 2023 17:10:31 UTC
The fight against fascism won't be confined to that particular conflict, reckon. Sooner or later LGBT communities are going to have to defend themselves in (parts of) the US, and other countries that have religious bigotries in place.
gosub
~#
Russia warns South Korea against arming Ukraine
Seoul has so far provided only humanitarian help to Ukraine, but President Yoon Suk Yeol said that might change if there is a ‘large-scale attack on civilians’. Kremlin threatened to reciprocate by sending weapons to North Korea.
www.scmp.com
Not entirely sure what spare weapons it could give North Korea but still
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Ukrainian Army soldier, (26-year-old) Artur Asadov has been killed in action on the eastern frontlines. Artur became well-known in Ukraine after talking about his relationship with his father, who fights for Russia. They had been exchanging messages from the start of the war.
Artur came from a military family from Eastern Ukraine, but was born and raised in Kyiv.
His father served 10 years in the Ukrainian Army, but left for Russia in 2011 to find another job.
He joined the “Donbas militia” in 2016.
Artur told reporters that he doubts he could take the life his own father if they met on the battlefield, but he does want him prosecuted and sentenced.
The last time the two spoke was when Artur wrote his father after having fought in the Kharkiv Offensive and personally helped retake the city of Izyum.
“Rejoice while you can,” his father wrote back.
Artur said his father had betrayed him, but that he wouldn’t late hate consume him.
Artur said his brothers-in-arms knew that his father is fighting for the enemy, but that they never questioned his own loyalty to Ukraine.
Artur came from a military family from Eastern Ukraine, but was born and raised in Kyiv.
His father served 10 years in the Ukrainian Army, but left for Russia in 2011 to find another job.
He joined the “Donbas militia” in 2016.
Artur told reporters that he doubts he could take the life his own father if they met on the battlefield, but he does want him prosecuted and sentenced.
The last time the two spoke was when Artur wrote his father after having fought in the Kharkiv Offensive and personally helped retake the city of Izyum.
“Rejoice while you can,” his father wrote back.
Artur said his father had betrayed him, but that he wouldn’t late hate consume him.
Artur said his brothers-in-arms knew that his father is fighting for the enemy, but that they never questioned his own loyalty to Ukraine.
gosub
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Man From Russia's Kalmykia Deemed Asylum Seeker In Kazakhstan After Fleeing Army
A man from the Russian region of Kalmykia has been granted asylum-seeker status in Kazakhstan after he left a military unit to avoid taking part in the war in Ukraine.
www.google.com
КНБ расследует 10 уголовных дел по фактам участия казахстанцев в войне в Украине
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