Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[Quartz]

At least someone in the audience got a cheer by challenging Farage on the scam his mep's run, not turning up to do their job while taking EU money.

Point of order: Farage himself does attend the EU Parliament. At least, there are quite a few videos of his speeches there.







Etc

And here's one of Paul Nuttall at the EU Parliament:



Of course, they're not there now because they're campaigning for re-election.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Who mentioned shouting? Has SpookyFrank been shouting?

It's a metaphor. :faceplam:

One of the tried and tested bleats of bigots is to say people are "just shouting racist", even if it's not happening anywhere beyond their bitter and muddled heads.

Do yourself a favour, and leave off of trying to fold personal insults into political commentary. It makes you look like a dick.

It may not be always effective to call racist policies racist, but it's certainly reasonable and there's no need to assume that the assessment is "shouted".

What "policies" would that be? As far as I can see, UKIP has very few codified policies, just a lot of unattributed ideas floating around.

 

[killer b]

Point of order: Farage himself does attend the EU Parliament.
Of course, they're not there now because they're campaigning for re-election.

who would have thought awesome wells' spittle flecked invective was full of shit.

 

[8ball]

What "policies" would that be? As far as I can see, UKIP has very few codified policies, just a lot of unattributed ideas floating around.

This is completely deliberate on their part.

 

[ViolentPanda]

This is completely deliberate on their part.

Yes, as I said several posts before the one you replied to.

 

[8ball]

Yes, as I said several posts before the one you replied to.

I'm Canucking.

 

[J Ed]

I didn't get that far(age) through Farage Time. Nigle Farage kept interrupting everone whuile David Nigel Farage kept interrupting everyone else and the audience of Nigel Farage seemed particularly Nigel Farage.

All I saw was straight forward barracking of Farage.

 

[DotCommunist]

noticed chukka sliding out from under a question concerning housing. smoothly done

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't get that far(age) through Farage Time. Nigle Farage kept interrupting everone whuile David Nigel Farage kept interrupting everyone else and the audience of Nigel Farage seemed particularly Nigel Farage.

I can't cope with it anymore. I can't stand the fat faced cunt. I can't stand seeing his pious bullshit spewing wordhole pump out lie after lie. I can't stand him talking over everyone else while that stupid old bastard Dimblecunt continually prevents anyone else from speaking. Caroline Lucas, whatever you may think of her, tried to put some pro EU points across by listing what good they do. Dimblecunt just interrupted her saying it wasn't relevant! Of course it's relevant you stupid institutional reactionary tosser!

I'm so tired of this immigration shit and I'm so tired of UKIP appearing, virtually unchallenged, on the BBC night and fucking day. And it comes to something when it takes Shapps to be the only person to mention the number of UK people living and working abroad.

At least someone in the audience got a cheer by challenging Farage on the scam his mep's run, not turning up to do their job while taking EU money. They don't even care though; Farage is quite open about this being party tactics to defeat the evil EU.

Stupid bastard, I hope he fucking dies.

If all you see is farage then how do you know who isn't farage? Worthless stuff.

 

[J Ed]

If all you see it farage then how do know who isn't farage? Worthless stuff.

What?

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, meant to quote the wells. Fixing now.

 

[Dogsauce]

The thing that pisses me off with Question Time is not just the ever-present Nigel (who did talk over everyone else for much of the programme, more aggressively than his usual style) but the fact that for the last few years it's been near enough nothing but Europe and immigration. Bedroom tax, food banks, tax cuts for the rich etc. have barely got a look-in. It's letting the government off the hook. I know it's essentially entertainment dressed up as holding politicians to account, but the subject selection and limited palette of guests has been a let-down and I've given up routinely watching it.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Point of order: Farage himself does attend the EU Parliament. At least, there are quite a few videos of his speeches there.

Oh i don't care. I'm past the point of reason, and adding Paul Twatall into the mix just pushes me further!


Nutall also blogged that he doesn't attend the EU out of choice: this is how they intend to bring it down - a few fruitcake little englanders are going over there (or not) to parade around their sad little xenophobia while no doubt everyone else thinks they, and by extension us, are ridiculous. I'm only surprised they don't turn up goosestepping saying "ve are from ze ukip unt ve are taking der pisswasser", or some other allo allo inspired stereotype.

 

[butchersapron]

Why are you pro neo-liberalism wells?

 

[Dogsauce]

Farage recently said he wasn't able to attend the parliament very often because the injuries sustained in his plane crash made travel difficult.



(Doesn't actually give a fuck, does he?)

 

[Awesome Wells]

who would have thought awesome wells' spittle flecked invective was full of shit.

Go fuck yourself

 

[butchersapron]

Oh i don't care. I'm past the point of reason, and adding Paul Twatall into the mix just pushes me further!


Nutall also blogged that he doesn't attend the EU out of choice: this is how they intend to bring it down - a few fruitcake little englanders are going over there (or not) to parade around their sad little xenophobia while no doubt everyone else thinks they, and by extension us, are ridiculous. I'm only surprised they don't turn up goosestepping saying "ve are from ze ukip unt ve are taking der pisswasser", or some other allo allo inspired stereotype.

How they doing you think?

 

[killer b]

Go fuck yourself

I don't think it's unreasonable to desire some level of accuracy in our supposed allies' criticism of the enemy.

The problem with spouting made up bullshit in your no doubt enjoyable rants is that it makes it easier to write of what you say that is true. If there is any.

 

[Awesome Wells]

All I saw was straight forward barracking of Farage.

Then you saw a different show.

Certainly he came under criticism from other pannelists, so what? They didn't talk him down and run their yap nonstop. He did. For the 30 minutes I watched, which was immigration, which gets raised every week. He continued his nonsense about 480 odd million europeans queuing at the door to take YOUR jobs and refused, as usual, to listen to facts or reason. If you mean by barracking that Chuka Umuna criticised him for his 'foreign languages I heard on trains' comment, or whatever the fuck he said, then that was well deserved criticism, which was far from barracking - and it was met by a mealy mouthed straw man. As usual.

Ukip are on almost every week now, they were on last week as well. I can't remember the last time Caroline Lucas was on, not for many months I think. TUSC haven't been on iirc, nor the Socialist Party, or even the SWP.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I don't think it's unreasonable to desire some level of accuracy in our supposed allies' criticism of the enemy.

The problem with spouting made up bullshit in your no doubt enjoyable rants is that it makes it easier to write of what you say that is true. If there is any.

What bullshit did I make up then. Let's start there, if you want to be reasonable. Or is this yet another tired personal attack. I've already put that tedious cunt butchersapron on ignore even though he seems to think I give a shit, you can go the same way pal, it's all gravy afaic

 

[butchersapron]

Then you saw a different show.

Certainly he came under criticism from other pannelists, so what? They didn't talk him down and run their yap nonstop. He did. For the 30 minutes I watched, which was immigration, which gets raised every week. He continued his nonsense about 480 odd million europeans queuing at the door to take YOUR jobs and refused, as usual, to listen to facts or reason. If you mean by barracking that Chuka Umuna criticised him for his 'foreign languages I heard on trains' comment, or whatever the fuck he said, then that was well deserved criticism, which was far from barracking - and it was met by a mealy mouthed straw man. As usual.

Ukip are on almost every week now, they were on last week as well. I can't remember the last time Caroline Lucas was on, not for many months I think. TUSC haven't been on iirc, nor the Socialist Party, or even the SWP.

Why on earth would they be? What have they done that warrants it? What are UKIP doing to warrant it? Being the third party in the polls? Having 12 MEPs with an euro election coming in 4 weeks? Head in the sand time.

And btw - you've not put me on ignore. You've just ignored every point i ever put to you.

 

[Awesome Wells]

From Paul Nuttall's own blog:

My Attendance Record
Today’s Daily Telegraph claims my attendance record in the European Parliament is terrible. Alongside UKIP MEPs, David Campbell Bannerman and Godfrey Bloom, my attendance record at plenary sessions is the lowest of any British MEP. I’ll hold my hands up, as my attendance record is flaky to say the least. But so what? I treat Brussels with the contempt it deserves: it has no real democratic mandate and MEPs only exist as a pretence to make the EU look democratic, when in fact we all know it is not. I also keep abreast of what is going on out there through the work of the excellent UKIP staff. So as I always say, one does not have to be in the joke shop to know the jokes.

So if a jobseeker says 'i don't want to work, i hate capitalism, i hate the state', it'd be ok to get benefits without question?

I can't see Mr Nuttalls agreeing to that

Perhaps if he turned up to the JC one a month just to keep abreast of the rules and regulations...and the jokes.

 

[treelover]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/09/tony-parsons-endorses-ukip


http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/09/tony-parsons-interview


Fwiw, Tony Parsons: "I would vote for UKIP"


I think the Comics on Radio 4 don't like Farage though

 

[Dogsauce]

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

It's a metaphor. :faceplam:



Do yourself a favour, and leave off of trying to fold personal insults into political commentary. It makes you look like a dick.



What "policies" would that be? As far as I can see, UKIP has very few codified policies, just a lot of unattributed ideas floating around.

It's a metaphor that's used an awful lot by the right to charicature and make often reasoned analysis sound paranoid and absurd.

I wasn't insulting individuals, more mindsets, and the words "bitter" and "muddled" are hardly scathing. They are, however, accurate in many cases. Perhaps you have a go at everyone you come across who folds personal insults into political commentary, but it would make you a very busy person.

Your point about "Policies" is something I get, certainly the propaganda has dog whistle racism in it. Immigrants to blame for unemployment and housing problems (neatly turned to "politicians to blame for letting immigrants cause the problem" so it;s not racist. At all. because it's blaming the politicians (for the immigrants who are to blame, including the 26 million who all want my job)

While cogent analysis is what's required, and there's plenty of it on this thread, and while not just calling stuff racist is very important (also there's plenty such stuff on this thread), what there's also rather too much of on this thread is "that's not how to do it", too often keener to slam critique of the subject matter than to critique the subject matter itself.

As with so many issues, if any of us really knew "how to do it" on a grand scale we wouldn't be where we are.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Why on earth would they be? What have they done that warrants it? What are UKIP doing to warrant it? Being the third party in the polls? Having 12 MEPs with an euro election coming in 4 weeks? Head in the sand time.

And btw - you've not put me on ignore. You've just ignored every point i ever put to you.

He's been on that show more than anyone other politician since 2009.

Do you have your head in the sand about the disproportionate coverage of this man and his medium sized party?

A fair comparrison would be to that given to Clegg and The LDs before the last GE. It was over the top and rather silly looking back at it but nothing like the scale and length of time that this circus has gone on for.

 

[butchersapron]

I asked why the spgb or sp deserve a spot on it rather than ukip. I didn't mention the level of coverage ukip have.

 

[butchersapron]

You have an anti ukip blog don't you?

 

[Awesome Wells]

A fair comparrison would be to that given to Clegg and The LDs before the last GE. It was over the top and rather silly looking back at it but nothing like the scale and length of time that this circus has gone on for.

Aside from the fact these elections are for europe and not britain, i'm not sure it is fair since the LD's had an actual presence in Parliament. Ukip doesn't. In fact, given their MEP's attendance rate, I'm not even sure they have one in Europe.

 

[redsquirrel]

Ukip are on almost every week now, they were on last week as well. I can't remember the last time Caroline Lucas was on, not for many months I think. TUSC haven't been on iirc, nor the Socialist Party, or even the SWP.

And how many councillors do each of those parties have? What is each party currently polling? Your stupid anti-UKIPism appears to be blinding you to the fact that UKIP are now certainly the fourth, and on some measures the third, biggest political party in Britain.

But leaving that aside perhaps you could tell me what you want to achieve with your anti-UKIPsim? For all that he's been shown to be a lying moron Fingers was at least honest enough to admit that his goal was simply to shore up support for Lab/Tories/LibDems, the very parties that are currently attacking labour. And that's all this stupid fucking anti-UKIP wankery would amount to, even if it was successful, which clearly it isn't.