Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[Gingerman]

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/...ming-gay-claims-uk-councillor-candidate270413

John Sullivan, a UK councillor candidate congratulated Russia on banning gay Pride marches and claimed regular exercise in schools can prevent homosexuality.

In a series of Facebook posts, Sullivan, who is a member of the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) likened gay activists to termites and stated that feminism is evil and being gay is even worse.

Sullivan is standing for local elections on 2 May, to represent as a councillor the Forest of Dean area in Gloucestershire’s County Council, in western England, UK.

In a series of posts on the far right anti-gay Traditional Britain Group Facebook group Sullivan expressed anti-gay views, revealed Colin Cortbus, an anti-extremist campaigner and a Gay Star News reader.

In one post Sullivan said that regular physical exercise ‘prevents’ children from ‘becoming’ gay.

He recommended that ‘Victorian style’ regular physical exercise be reinstated in schools as it apparently ‘releases of tension’ which ‘prevents’ homosexuality’.

Wow what a charmer

 

[Quartz]

Even UKIP agree with me

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/27/ukip-local-elections-emails

And how are those emails different from any other political party?

However, UKIP and Farage are best, IMO, as gadflies: they can inflict stinging criticism when and where it's due.

 

[Balbi]

And how are those emails different from any other political party?

However, UKIP and Farage are best, IMO, as gadflies: they can inflict stinging criticism when and where it's due.

Square that with him having "the ability of leadership" and being "a dangerous man".

 

[brogdale]

Interesting that, in the last week, the 'Fail', Torygraph and Guardian have all run with UKIP smear stories, (today's Guardian one).

The coalition of the right really must sense the potential for electoral damage.

Wonder if Falange will resort to the Mao quote...?

I hold that it is bad as far as we are concerned if a person, a political party, an army or a school is not attacked by the enemy, for in that case it would definitely mean that we have sunk to the level of the enemy. It is good if we are attacked by the enemy, since it proves that we have drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves. It is still better if the enemy attacks us wildly and paints us as utterly black and without a single virtue; it demonstrates that we have not only drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves but achieved a great deal in our work.

 

[butchersapron]

And how are those emails different from any other political party?

However, UKIP and Farage are best, IMO, as gadflies: they can inflict stinging criticism when and where it's due.

What does this mean? Best for who? Criticisms of who? On behalf of who?

 

[Dan U]

Interesting that, in the last week, the 'Fail', Torygraph and Guardian have all run with UKIP smear stories, (today's Guardian one).

The coalition of the right really must sense the potential for electoral damage.

Wonder if Falange will resort to the Mao quote...?

The Sun as well. Which must smart a bit after dinner with Rupert

 

[gosub]

Interesting that, in the last week, the 'Fail', Torygraph and Guardian have all run with UKIP smear stories, (today's Guardian one).

The coalition of the right really must sense the potential for electoral damage.

Wonder if Falange will resort to the Mao quote...?

Responding to the CCHQ document leak, UKIP leader Nigel Farage told The Commentator exclusively, "I am sure that Tory donors will be delighted to learn that their hard earned money is being spent on a research team whose job it is, not to come up with serious policies to get this country back working, but to research gossip, tittle tattle and the dance moves of UKIP candidates. They must be utterly terrified that their shallow approach to government is being seen through by the public.
"If this is the best they can do," Farage said, "then I ask you should we just get rid of the whole lot of them?"
http://www.thecommentator.com/artic...inners_in_intensive_anti_ukip_media_briefings

 

[FNG]

UKIP candidate Spalding South Alan Jesson

However, in spite of the Spalding Guardian being unable to contact him, Mr Jesson has not been hiding his views on the Spalding Immigration Issues Facebook page.

In one of his comments he said: “If they work hard pay tax stay on the right side of the law and have sufficient funds to pay their way then maybe some can stay. Others no chance.”

http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/latest-news/hundreds-to-attend-protest-1-5014897

 

[butchersapron]

Anyone fancy fact checking this? Recent UKIP leaflets have been great, but they've been produced by the centre for parliamentary by-elections, the locals always bring the loons and the genuinely nasty ones out.

 

[The39thStep]

Interesting that, in the last week, the 'Fail', Torygraph and Guardian have all run with UKIP smear stories, (today's Guardian one).

The coalition of the right really must sense the potential for electoral damage.

Wonder if Falange will resort to the Mao quote...?

Please don't use the expression the 'Fail'

 

[brogdale]

Please don't use the expression the 'Fail'

That's such a polite request that I'll certainly consider what you say. Is there any particular reason why that expression irks so particularly..or is it just a personal pet hate?

 

[The39thStep]

That's such a polite request that I'll certainly consider what you say. Is there any particular reason why that expression irks so particularly..or is it just a personal pet hate?

gives the impression that you are some how part of the slacker generation

 

[brogdale]

gives the impression that you are some how part of the slacker generation

Who are they?

 

[The39thStep]

a platform in the pro drugs lobby

 

[brogdale]

a platform in the pro drugs lobby

Hmmm...and it's not good if I give the impression that I'm part of that platform?

 

[youngian]

I've heard these immigrants can't even write basic coherent English-

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[brogdale]

I've heard these immigrants can't even write basic coherent English-

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Wonder if he spelt his surname correctly?

 

[Dogsauce]

I like how they're spinning the exposure of fruitcakes and racists in their ranks as 'dirty tricks', as though their candidates had been duped into being racist/homophobic shitbags.

Keep shining those torches of truth, CCHQ.

Pretty sure you could find similar quotes from Tories mind.

Oh, and since when has homosexuality been part of the remit of SPUC? (seen as source for quotes on one of the leaflets above). It's almost as if they're all-round cunts, isn't it?

 

[youngian]

I like how they're spinning the exposure of fruitcakes and racists in their ranks as 'dirty tricks', as though their candidates had been duped into being racist/homophobic shitbags.

They are of course 'a tiny minority' unlike the majority of UKIP candidates who are voices of reasoned debate who never indulge in sewer politics.

 

[Corax]

Anyone listening to Pienaar's Politics on Radio 5 right now? UKIP's Godfrey Bloom ranting about "women of child-bearing age" going out to work. And a bizarre tangent from nowhere about windmills. It's like something by Chris Morris. Genuinely beyond parody.

ETA: Just googled him and it seems he's been coming out with this shit since 2004 at least. And people are still voting for this cock?

 

[stuff_it]

My mate said that in her area (high number of non-whites) they are trying to make our their policies are based on things like funding for libraries, with little mention of their usual racist and xenophobic guff.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Wonder if he spelt his surname correctly?

His brother Cliff would have literally been a better candidate.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I've only just seen this with not having a TV and all...equal amounts of and




Nig's conclusion? He knows best.

 

[nicedream]

UKIP are gaining support because they are the BNP for racists who don't like to be called racists.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

It's a bit worrying that the media-authorised public debate next election is likely to be between these shitheads and the Tories, i.e. between batshit right and establishment right, rather than e.g. about whether people want their NHS back and corporations to pay their taxes.

 

[butchersapron]

UKIP are gaining support because they are the BNP for racists who don't like to be called racists.

How does that explain the rise in their support? The BNP never ever got close to these national polling figures and UKIP have faced a barrage of racism claims in the period that their support has grown.

edit: and what sort of tactics follow from such an analysis?

 

[xslavearcx]

Wonder if he spelt his surname correctly?

why has he got an inverted cross on his poster. Does he like death metal or something?

 

[marty21]

UKIP actually make the case for a Federal Europe more attractive to me - which takes some doing - well done to them - I'm not sure they have got the hang of this politics thing

 

[brogdale]

How does that explain the rise in their support? The BNP never ever got close to these national polling figures and UKIP have faced a barrage of racism claims in the period that their support has grown.

edit: and what sort of tactics follow from such an analysis?

I've only just seen this with not having a TV and all...equal amounts of and




Nig's conclusion? He knows best.

I agree with & , but we overlook Farage's personal appeal to voters at our peril.

Setting aside his odious, right-wing, nutjob politics, he is demonstrably appealing to certain sections of the electorate merely by dint of 'being different' to the 3 party droids. He does appear to answer questions put to him, he cultivates an impression of self-depricating good humour and obviously plays on his (golf) clubbable personality. Not totally dis-similar to Boris Johnson he makes a sustained effort to come across as a 'breath of fresh air' on programmes like QT. Of course, he has also over seen a large rise in electoral support for his party as well, from around 3% to 11% in national polling. I know its hard to digest for many of us here, but people do appear to find him likeable.

No surprise then that Sunday's YouGov found him the only party leader with a +ive personal rating, and a very significant one at that.

The tories do have much to fear from this man; no wonder they've started to play rough.

 

[editor]

Here's the kind of person who likes UKIP:

Colin, a local pensioner and life-long Tory, says he is considering Ukip. “I think [gay marriage] is absolutely disgusting quite truthfully.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/97b6f7e6-ad46-11e2-b27f-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2Rq0JgOw4