belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
So your previous statement about them all having XY chromosomes is wrong.
Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?
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Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
Come on everybody, chant with me
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 5
Come on everybody, chant with me
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Wow. This thread really is bringing out the wankers.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
it is definitely a form of ID-politics, one which was well discredited back in the day and now sees a parallel mirror resurgence amongst the recent wave too.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Isn't it just? The vehemence of a couple of them (tho not all) is positively disturbing.
Das Uberdog
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such lofty cunts arbitrating over decency whilst defending the physical assault of a woman by three pre-op trans women with the strength of men
Jonti
what the dormouse said
No, I don't think so
No, you misunderstand. One's gender identity is not necessarily determined by one's chromosomes. That's what this whole ruck is about.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
why is it that a man hitting a woman is such a bad thing again? can you explain it? is it something to do with strength or something?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
i guess it must just be some magic rule about self-identification
Crispy
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No, it's something to do with power. Man > Women, Boss > Worker, White > Black
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
that's some weird Marxist extrapolation which has zero to do with the actual social history of the development of a social aversion against violence towards women
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think it's something to do with strength, tbf.
I'm very uneasy with the idea of hitting a woman, and nobody has condoned this woman being punched, despite what DU is claiming.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
also the idea that through the magic of self-identification one can simply take on a new power-position within society is frankly mad
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
and chromosomes have no active part in sexing the body once it's developed. All the heavy lifting is done by hormones. I actually don't give a frig about my chromosomes. And apart from the probability that they are indeed XY - this is by no means a certainty and I've never been able to get them tested. Who knows for sure what chromosomes they have?
After taking estrogen for nearly 4 years i am identified as female. That's all i ever wanted. So the whole you can't change your chromosomes is so wide of the mark of being a valid point. It's like shouting at a recently converted building - but you can't change your blueprints! Who gives a fuck?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Please read quotes from Belboid posted above
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Physical strength is a starting point, but doesn't hold water as a binary approach. I'm a cis woman but I'm hefty. I reckon I could take a skinny bloke in a fight. If a trans woman has had hormonal treatment since the onset of puberty, is it ok for her to hit a woman? What about small bilked getting hit by big blokes? Is that as bad? What about if the attacker has got a really bad earache and as a result their balance is off?
Unless you're going to condemn or condone fights based on a detailed medical exam of each participant, sex and gender are too broad a brush to moralise upon.
Male violence is a huge problem. Men are far more frequently violent to other men than to women.
Male violence against women is a specific concern when it is sexual violence, and when it is domestic violence. Neither are the case here, I'm sure you'd agree.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
You're contradicting yourself.
Treacle Toes
Time
Do go on...
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
it's a crude measure and it doesn't hold true in all circumstances - i remember seeing small guys physically taunted and bullied by heftier girls at school but knowing they couldn't hit back, 'cos of convention... but the reason the taboo is there is because of a generalised disparity in strength.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Come off it. What 'power-position' do trans women occupy?
Jonti
what the dormouse said
How's that then?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
None of which condone violence however much you try to say otherwise.
You do support TERF bigotry tho
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its not a very effective taboo is it. I'd say 'don't sleep with your siblings' is honoured with more frequency than 'don't hit a woman'
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
also spanglechick - i don't think the concern is only there for domestic/sexual abuse. people are pretty angsty about blokes fighting with women in pubs like they might do with other men. understandably.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
If you were talking about some sort of voluntary change I'd agree. "I've decided to be an aristocrat, therefore I own half of Mayfair." is plainly ridiculous.
"I was born in a male body, but I feel like a woman." has a pretty solid evidential basis and can't be brushed away like that.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
i'd say it's broadly effective
Your posts say she was asking for it. Do I have to quote you again you slippery fuck?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That one has biology on its side though. We're not the only animals with an incest-aversion and it's an evolved thing. We don't need holding back from sleeping with our siblings - if we grew up with them, overwhelmingly the very idea is just 'no'.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
First you say all trans women have XY chromosomes and now you say they don't.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Fair dos I concede
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