Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[crossthebreeze]

The links you're making in putting this crock of shit together

Name me one trans billionaire

Martine Rothblatt

 

[crossthebreeze]

Martine Rothblatt

actually maybe multi millionaire not billionaire - valued at $340 million last year apparently

 

[co-op]

Flat earthers say that a flat earth is a statement of the obvious. You need to evidence claims not just speculate wildly based on nothing.

I reckon if the medical industry wanted to exploit trans people, then therapy for life and the corresponding medication would make them more money.

I don’t need evidence to state that a for-profit medical system will seek to exploit a profit opportunity; its axiomatic. To be honest I don’t get your reaction to this - you’re talking about lifelong medication in your post here.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Jennifer Pritzker - $1.79 billion (who according to Pink News "amassed her money form private wealth management" ie inherited it)

 

[Vintage Paw]

People who have transplants and need medication for the rest of their lives are totes just victims of Big Pharma and shouldn't give in and should just die cuz that'll show 'em.

 

[kabbes]

To be honest, the ethics of modern medicine and the implications of Big Pharma are complex and milt-faceted and do not merit being boiled down into the simplistic soundbites both parties are employing here.

 

[Sea Star]

I don’t need evidence to state that a for-profit medical system will seek to exploit a profit opportunity; its axiomatic. To be honest I don’t get your reaction to this - you’re talking about lifelong medication in your post here.

Well if that was all you said then I'm not even sure why you felt the need to say it.
This is what you actually said, or have you decided to retract your previous statement!

Anything which demands large amounts of surgery over several years and then follow-up multi-meds for the rest of someone's life is a hugely lucrative opportunity for a private healthcare system. When the likes of Cosmo or Vogue embrace transgender - as they have, with great enthusiasm - it sure ain't for political reasons revolving around personal liberation, that's obvious.

 

[Sea Star]

To be honest, the ethics of modern medicine and the implications of Big Pharma are complex and milt-faceted and do not merit being boiled down into the simplistic soundbites both parties are employing here.

Both parties? I'm trying to get her to show her working on this. So not both parties.

 

[co-op]

Well if that was all you said then I'm not even sure why you felt the need to say it.
This is what you actually said, or have you decided to retract your previous statement!

I was responding to a post which quoted doctors in the US talking about how their treatment was in effect being led by the demands or desires of their youthful patients and pointing out that there’s money to be made in indulging those desires and demands so there’s no motive at all to question them and obvious motives for not doing so.

It’s clearly not a suggestion that every gender-related medical need is fraudulent but I’m getting used to this sort of response.

 

[Sea Star]

I was responding to a post which quoted doctors in the US talking about how their treatment was in effect being led by the demands or desires of their youthful patients and pointing out that there’s money to be made in indulging those desires and demands so there’s no motive at all to question them and obvious motives for not doing so.

It’s clearly not a suggestion that every gender-related medical need is fraudulent but I’m getting used to this sort of response.

What? Asking for evidence when someone makes a bullshit claim? Sorry but that's what usually happens on Urban.

 

[co-op]

What? Asking for evidence when someone makes a bullshit claim? Sorry but that's what usually happens on Urban.

I think we must be at cross purposes because I don’t know what you’re on about.

 

[Vintage Paw]

To be honest, the ethics of modern medicine and the implications of Big Pharma are complex and milt-faceted and do not merit being boiled down into the simplistic soundbites both parties are employing here.

The point being it's an absurd distractionary argument being fielded that has absolutely no bearing on anything else we're talking about, and why on earth we should be debating whether medical companies make money from trans people or not, it's utterly banal unless we're going to start bringing up every industry that makes money off people full stop.

 

[co-op]

The point being it's an absurd distractionary argument being fielded that has absolutely no bearing on anything else we're talking about, and why on earth we should be debating whether medical companies make money from trans people or not, it's utterly banal unless we're going to start bringing up every industry that makes money off people full stop.

It came up on another posters post, not mine. There’s a profit motive involved, whys that so irrelevant? Why can’t I comment? I’m really not understanding this reaction.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Cuz it's boring. It's not going to change that trans people exist and that some want to transition medically in some way. It's not going to make the nasty people go away.

 

[Sea Star]

It came up on another posters post, not mine. There’s a profit motive involved, whys that so irrelevant? Why can’t I comment? I’m really not understanding this reaction.

It's a distraction because it's not about trans it's about big pharma, but it does appear to be a suggestion that people are being encouraged to become trans by big pharma so they can make a profit. I see no evidence for this, so have you got some?

 

[Sea Star]

And my point that the drugs, which are cheap, which big pharma will not be making a huge profit from, and that far from huge amounts of surgery being necessary, many, maybe even most, trans people don't have surgery at all. And what is on offer is often facial surgery. Not just trans people have facial surgery.

You ignored all that.

 

[Pickman's model]

And my point that the drugs, which are cheap, which big pharma will not be making a huge profit them, and that far from huge amounts of surgery being necessary, many, maybe even most, trans people don't have surgery at all. And what is on offer is often facial surgery. Not just trans people have facial surgery.

Indeed not, as a survey of the contents pages of jama facial plastic surgery confirms

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Cuz it's boring. .

 

[pengaleng]

told you it was fucking boring.

 

[elbows]

told you it was fucking boring.

The medical industry could make a lot of money selling pills to people who are bored by this thread.

I probably need a nice holiday from this thread. Earlier I was reading in the news about how Howard the griffon vulture surprised everyone by laying an egg, and this thread has been so chocked full of wibble that I thought of it and some of the egg-related boundaries that have been on offer here.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

We Need To Talk, the TERF speaking tour, have a statement out insisting that they are going to go ahead with a meeting in Dublin. The letter telling them to fuck off now has somewhere over 1,200 signatories from the Irish feminist movement. My guess is it won’t go ahead and that they are simply trolling the natives. If they do try to go ahead there will be one hell of a row and no doubt they will blame “trans activists” for the consequences of them aggravating the entire feminist movement in the next country over.

 

[KevBoring]

segregate yerselves from life

Speaking of which, aren't you supposed to be dying or somethin, Pongalong?

Takin your bleedin time, aren't you?

 

[Shechemite]

Classy.

Post reported.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Speaking of which, aren't you supposed to be dying or somethin, Pongalong?

Takin your bleedin time, aren't you?

Wow. That's rude af.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Speaking of which, aren't you supposed to be dying or somethin, Pongalong?

Takin your bleedin time, aren't you?

Who is this then? I wonder whether this is your first post on this thread

 

[sheothebudworths]

I think I should say that what led me here was the reaction to/subsequent treatment of Helen Steele during/after the anarchist bookfair.
I don't know how we progress at all, once you/one make enemies of people like her.
​

Since you're here though, bimble,

bimble said: ↑
Things are changing fast, kids are going on tumblr and identifying as trans for reasons totally different from what might have motivated folks years ago, I hope its ok to acknowledge this.

What reasons were people giving years ago, and what is changing do you think?

I can tell you my worries, if that's helpful?
My daughter is 12. She has friends who are *just* being 12 but she also has quite a number who're constantly switching what they feel comfortable with in terms of their 'gender identity' - whatever that means to them.

The very obvious change is *the internet* - whether it leads you to the right place, or just the place that's right *right now* has got to be factored in, doesn't it?
Honestly, I am worried.

 

[Raheem]

she also has quite a number who're constantly switching what they feel comfortable with in terms of their 'gender identity' - whatever that means to them.

If you don't know what it means to them, doesn't that make this a story about nothing?

 

[sheothebudworths]

If you don't know what it means to them, doesn't that make this a story about nothing?

You can take it to mean that if you like, I know the children. I don't have anything more sensible to say than that.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I think I should say that what led me here was the reaction to/subsequent treatment of Helen Steele during/after the anarchist bookfair.
I don't know how we progress at all, once you/one make enemies of people like her.
​

I can tell you my worries, if that's helpful?
My daughter is 12. She has friends who are *just* being 12 but she also has quite a number who're constantly switching what they feel comfortable with in terms of their 'gender identity' - whatever that means to them.

The very obvious change is *the internet* - whether it leads you to the right place, or just the place that's right *right now* has got to be factored in, doesn't it?
Honestly, I am worried.

It just sounds like your daughter is probably clever, thoughtful, and as such has found favour with others in her school who are similar- the geeks always find each other. In my day it was sexuality we were going WHATEVER GOES with. And we also liked what we called "gender bending" too, but we paid lip service to that really, it was just about painting our male friend's nails then. This is what young people do.

When I was 12 though, it was cider us council estate kids were into, and smoking though I didn't like that so much. I did the gender bending a bit later. Latter probably healthier

 

[bimble]

If you don't know what it means to them, doesn't that make this a story about nothing?

If you don't agree with Scientology does that mean the ideology that scientologists ascribe to doesn't exist?