Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[co-op]

My favourite moments have come when people have tried slagging you off, peng, tbf.

And yet you can’t quite work out how to turn it to your advantage can you? Gender is so complicated sometimes isn’t it?

Also don’t forget HoratioCuthbert boasting about having a natal vagina, that was pretty amusing from the ‘you’re all trans-exclusionary’ gang.

 

[elbows]

Meanwhile over at the premier of elbows the musical, the critics were wishing that people had taken elbows threats to sing more seriously.....

Oh oh oh, its lonely up heeerreeeee,
At the punnacle of my ambitions,
with the mental malnutrition
and the lack of contrition...

zzzrrppp, fizzzz, swoooosssshhhh

We apologise for the in-terf-fear-rants to this trans-mission.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

And yet you can’t quite work out how to turn it to your advantage can you? Gender is so complicated sometimes isn’t it?

Also don’t forget HoratioCuthbert boasting about having a natal vagina, that was pretty amusing from the ‘you’re all trans-exclusionary’ gang.

Boasting

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

did you hit play on the chastity belt song cope? In it, there is a girl boasting she is an actual 20 ft tall vagina. How utterly dishonest of her.

 

[pengaleng]

cheers for the lols, lads

cant hang about, got an appt

 

[Pickman's model]

cheers for the lols, lads

cant hang about, got an appt

see you later then

 

[littlebabyjesus]

And yet you can’t quite work out how to turn it to your advantage can you? Gender is so complicated sometimes isn’t it?

Also don’t forget HoratioCuthbert boasting about having a natal vagina, that was pretty amusing from the ‘you’re all trans-exclusionary’ gang.

I haven't been trying to win arguments by pointing out some spurious 'what' about a poster I disagree with.

But it is rather ironic to look at who on this thread has been making gendered assumptions and using gender-based insults, especially when they have been so hopelessly wide of the mark most of the time.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

cheers for the lols, lads

cant hang about, got an appt

Lads is gender neutral in whatever part of Ireland the Rubberbandits are from

 

[Treacle Toes]

I haven't been trying to win arguments by pointing out some spurious 'what' about a poster I disagree with.

But it is rather ironic to look at who on this thread has been making gendered assumptions and using gender-based insults, especially when they have been so hopelessly wide of the mark most of the time.

Spot on. It would be funny if it wasn't so bloody depressing. Given the generally dogmatic, know-it-all tone of those that have done this.

 

[Treacle Toes]

fucking hell... 'if you need a pick me up?'



This is the equivalent to standing around in the playground shouting FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT...so much pleasure and glee taken it make me feel sick tbh.

The person behind this account yet again proving they are a nasty piece of work deep down.

 

[kabbes]

fucking hell... 'if you need a pick me up?'

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This is the equivalent to standing around in the playground shouting FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT...so much pleasure and glee taken it make me feel sick tbh.

The person behind this account yet again proving they are a nasty piece of work deep down.

It’s all depressing as hell, frankly, from both sides of the schoolyard fighting.

 

[trashpony]

fucking hell... 'if you need a pick me up?'

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This is the equivalent to standing around in the playground shouting FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT...so much pleasure and glee taken it make me feel sick tbh.

The person behind this account yet again proving they are a nasty piece of work deep down.

It's Venice Allen. She does seem to take enormous glee in upping the tension as much as she can

 

[Treacle Toes]

It's Venice Allen. She does seem to take enormous glee in upping the tension as much as she can

Funny you say that because I was going to say it seems like her MO. She is a serious shit stirrer. She too seems to be intent on making a name for herself.

 

[bimble]

I don't see the point of this posting up 'evidence' of the worst of the playground bullies on twitter (on both sides).

 

[Sea Star]

It’s all depressing as hell, frankly, from both sides of the schoolyard fighting.

This both sides crap pisses me off. When do we get our almost daily chance to attack TERFs in the media?

It's not both sides. One side is a bunch of extremists aggravating the situation to roll back rights of a vulnerable minority, working with whatever retrogressive forces they need to to get results. The other side are mostly extremely vulnerable people who just want to get on with their lives and have appropriate legislation and support systems in place so we don't have to spend all our lives in hiding like we used to have to do.

 

[kabbes]

This both sides crap pisses me off. When do we get our almost daily chance to attack TERFs in the media?

It's not both sides. One side is a bunch of extremists aggravating the situation to roll back rights of a vulnerable minority, working with whatever retrogressive forces they need to to get results. The other side are mostly extremely vulnerable people who just want to get on with their lives and have appropriate legislation and support systems in place so we don't have to spend all our lives in hiding like we used to have to do.

You're saying there are no elements of trans activism (whether the individuals themselves are trans or no) that seek out targets to attack and encourage others to attack? Who encourage the labelling of those without 100% alignment as transphobic and hateful?

Basically, are you claiming that Nigel Irritable doesn't actually exist?

 

[Cloo]

Well people will always pick outliers and then be all 'Look! Look! This is what *all* these people really are!' , whether it be TERFs going 'Look! Here's a trans rapist who wants to got to a women's prison, this is what everyone who supports trans rights wants!' to rights supporters finding the nastiest, most vicious TERFs and saying 'Look! This is what anyone who has any difficulty with the implications of full trans access to women's spaces is!' etc

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't see the point of this posting up 'evidence' of the worst of the playground bullies on twitter (on both sides).

yeh let's portray them as adolescents or pre-pubescent children, that will calm things down.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

fucking hell... 'if you need a pick me up?'

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This is the equivalent to standing around in the playground shouting FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT...so much pleasure and glee taken it make me feel sick tbh.

The person behind this account yet again proving they are a nasty piece of work deep down.

"Peak trans". Yes yes, it's just some of the activists we have a problem with.

 

[bimble]

This is pretty good:
A trans woman talking about the need to do something other than just shout TERF at people.
Social acceptance of trans people springs from our relationship with society – and that works both ways

 

[Treacle Toes]

Well people will always pick outliers and then be all 'Look! Look! This is what *all* these people really are!' , whether it be TERFs going 'Look! Here's a trans rapist who wants to got to a women's prison, this is what everyone who supports trans rights wants!' to rights supporters finding the nastiest, most vicious TERFs and saying 'Look! This is what anyone who has any difficulty with the implications of full trans access to women's spaces is!' etc

But random tumblrs and crude abstract graphics are okay?

I picked that especially because that account on twitter and facebook has been at the heart of the organising and discussion since the bookfair debacle. That is not an outlier. They (Venice) is in the thick of it and fully intent in whipping it up as much as possible.

 

[bimble]

But random tumblrs and crude abstract graphics are okay?

That 'crude abstract graphic' is being used as a teaching tool by the leading UK charity concerned with trans-identifying children, to explain Gender Identity. I am not sure what your problem is with it having been included on the thread.

 

[elbows]

 

[Sea Star]

You're saying there are no elements of trans activism (whether the individuals themselves are trans or no) that seek out targets to attack and encourage others to attack? Who encourage the labelling of those without 100% alignment as transphobic and hateful?

Basically, are you claiming that Nigel Irritable doesn't actually exist?

Is Nigel Irritable trans then?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

You're saying there are no elements of trans activism (whether the individuals themselves are trans or no) that seek out targets to attack and encourage others to attack? Who encourage the labelling of those without 100% alignment as transphobic and hateful?

Basically, are you claiming that Nigel Irritable doesn't actually exist?

It’s almost as if the incident that triggered this thread never happened.

 

[Cloo]

But random tumblrs and crude abstract graphics are okay?

.

sorry, should have contextualised more, I wasn't responding to you post, rather what I'd seen on Twitter of people straw-manning (straw personing?) the extremes.

 

[Thimble Queen]

That 'crude abstract graphic' is being used as a teaching tool by the leading UK charity concerned with trans-identifying children, to explain Gender Identity. I am not sure what your problem is with it having been included on the thread.

I thought I read a clarification post that said it was from a training session with public servants... Or am I getting that mixed up?

 

[MochaSoul]

It’s almost as if the incident that triggered this thread never happened.

Kiri Tunks
I keep mentioning Kiri Tunks but what I find horrific about the petition to get her sacked and the barrage of abuse she got is that she never actually pronounced herself in support or in opposition to the GRA. All she did was appeal to more dialogue and listening to women's voices.

e2a: I meant changes to the GRA

 

[Treacle Toes]

I thought I read a clarification post that said it was from a training session with public servants... Or am I getting that mixed up?

You are right. The issue with the crude graphic usage here is that no context in terms of how it is being used what is being said etc can be given. Just pointing at it and saying looooookkkkkkk seeeee what they are using!?!?! without even knowing the what and how is pretty shit. The discussion around that image within a presentation like that is really important to know before anyone can have an informed response to it and value/devalue the teaching method.

..but posting the tweets and FBposts from those in the thick of and driving some of the nastier sides of the debate...not so important apparently.

 

[kabbes]

Is Nigel Irritable trans then?

You're saying there are no elements of trans activism (whether the individuals themselves are trans or no) that seek out targets to attack and encourage others to attack? Who encourage the labelling of those without 100% alignment as transphobic and hateful?

Basically, are you claiming that Nigel Irritable doesn't actually exist?