Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Pickman's model]

It's not a act. My position on this is reasonable.

.'. Other people unreasonable

 

[Athos]

.'. Other people unreasonable

Some are, some aren't. I think it's possible for two people to disagree about certain aspects on this issue with neither of them being unreasonable, necessarily.

 

[co-op]

Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival to End after 40 Years

Anyone think this is a victory for transwomen? Or a defeat of transphobia?

 

[Pickman's model]

Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival to End after 40 Years

Anyone think this is a victory for transwomen? Or a defeat of transphobia?

what do you think?

 

[MochaSoul]

Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival to End after 40 Years

Anyone think this is a victory for transwomen? Or a defeat of transphobia?

It's a loss for women. Lesbians in particular.

E2a: And it's a perfect example of taking away women's right to set their own boundaries. The future is bleak.

 

[krtek a houby]

Identity is the primary source of privilege and oppression. Class is just another identity.

More confused than ever

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I suspect sarcasm was involved.

 

[Pickman's model]

The future is bleak.

the future is orange

 

[co-op]

It's a loss for women. Lesbians in particular.

A very articulate recent mumsnet post from a lesbian about all this;

Transactivism and the lesbian community | Mumsnet Discussion

 

[bimble]

This is expected today:
Labour’s NEC Set To Confirm Trans People Allowed On All-Women Shortlists
They (Labour) are going to be 'ahead of the law' on this, in their own words. The all women shortlists are legally about sex (governed by equalities act which talks about sex not gender identies). They're now going to say sex is no longer relevant to these all women shortlists and self id is what counts.

 

[co-op]

as I was fairly masculine presenting (before I grew my hair out) and I was constantly asked if I was trans/what my pronouns were, and people were openly wondering when (not if) I would come out as a TIF. This happened to the level that I really started questioning my gender and identified as trans for a while. The amount of gender role enforcement that I saw in these LGBT groups was astonishing

 

[TopCat]

The findings of that Stonewall survey really don't seem to tally with a group that has seized feminism and the Labour Party for it's own, terrified women's organisations into supporting trans inclusion, silenced all women's and all right wing voices, controls the media, the NHS, the legal system and the school system and can force lesbians to have sex against their will with people with penises because they are too scared of being shunned by civil society if they don't.

A whole field of straw men.

 

[8ball]

Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival to End after 40 Years

Anyone think this is a victory for transwomen? Or a defeat of transphobia?

Or a minor victory for spelling?

 

[co-op]

Or a minor victory for spelling?

Or an opportunity for sneering at feminists?

 

[co-op]

Off twitter so all the usual warnings but;

Since being elected women's officer, Lily Madigan has posted
842 tweets about transwomen
934 about how "fabulous" she is
13 tweets about how she is trying to get pregnant
0 tweets about women

(original tweet I saw misgendered LM, I have corrected that, I really don't give a shit about pronouns unless they are clearly being used abusively)

 

[8ball]

Or an opportunity for sneering at feminists?

Yep, that would be all of them, then wouldn't it.

 

[co-op]

Yep, that would be all of them, then wouldn't it.

Oh absolutely what I said. Well done.

 

[8ball]

Oh absolutely what I said. Well done.

Wevs. Honestly can't be arsed with you.

edit: To be fair, on looking it up, I wasn't aware that the word had quite such a transphobic history, so thanks for the educative point. It's clearly very sad for some people that it's ending...

 

[Treacle Toes]

Off twitter so all the usual warnings but;

Since being elected women's officer, Lily Madigan has posted
842 tweets about transwomen
934 about how "fabulous" she is
13 tweets about how she is trying to get pregnant
0 tweets about women

(original tweet I saw misgendered LM, I have corrected that, I really don't give a shit about pronouns unless they are clearly being used abusively)

That is bullshit though...I just had a little scroll through and saw retweets and tweets about specific women's issues/interests.

If she wasn't subjected to such daily vile abuse I dare say she would find more time not to have to talk about being trans, deadnamed and misgendered.

Whomever provided those figures/that tweet is a great example of laying traps whilst simultaneously provoking the kind of response from Lily that proves them right. A cunt's trick tbf.

 

[8ball]

If she wasn't subjected to such daily vile abuse I dare say she would find more time not to have to talk about being trans, deadnamed and misgendered.

Hadn't heard the term 'deadnaming' (though have seen it done). Pretty horrible.

 

[Combustible]

Since being elected women's officer, Lily Madigan has posted
842 tweets about transwomen
934 about how "fabulous" she is
13 tweets about how she is trying to get pregnant
0 tweets about women

Even if that's true so what? She's the women's officer for a CLP, do people check all the hundreds of other CLP women's officers to make sure they have enough position relevant tweets.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The bullying of Madigan is sickening. Mostly done by people old enough to be her parents. If your political position compels you to persecute teenagers on the internet, I suggest you have another look at your political position.

 

[MochaSoul]

A very articulate recent mumsnet post from a lesbian about all this;

Transactivism and the lesbian community | Mumsnet Discussion

I'm not surprised at either of those stories (there are more in both thread comments btw) and I know there are elements of those connected to lesbophobia such as shown on this twitter thread:


It's becoming harder to overlook or even dismiss the inherent misogyny in all of this especially when taking into account the pressure young lesbians say they feel into transitioning... and it just worries me more. An acquaintance of mine who's a lesbian tweeted yesterday or the day before that's she's been trying to fending off this kind of pressure and lesbian erasure since around 2010. The whole having to hide and meeting in private has been happening for a long time. I can't add more than what the comments in both threads say already except that (and this purely anecdotal) "Lesbians are the worst TERFs" is a tweet too frequent for anyone's comfort (those who believe in freedom of thought and don't just pay lip service to it).

 

[Shechemite]

The bullying of Madigan is sickening. Mostly done by people old enough to be her parents. If your political position compels you to persecute teenagers on the internet, I suggest you have another look at your political position.

FGS she’s not a teen you crybully bullshitter

 

[krtek a houby]

FGS she’s not a teen you crybully bullshitter

As of a week ago.

 

[co-op]

That is bullshit though...I just had a little scroll through and saw retweets and tweets about specific women's issues/interests.

If she wasn't subjected to such daily vile abuse I dare say she would find more time not to have to talk about being trans, deadnamed and misgendered.

Whomever provided those figures/that tweet is a great example of laying traps whilst simultaneously provoking the kind of response from Lily that proves them right. A cunt's trick tbf.

I follow LM and I see almost nothing from her on non-trans women's issues. It looks to me like she's building a political career for herself and also surfing a wave of sympathy and support that must be pretty intoxicating if you're that young.

If she dug in and started really representing women she would do far more to neutralise - or at least marginalise - aggressive attacks from feminists. But it would do far less for her career of course. Years of patient and largely thankless work vs a short cut to a safe Labour seat and selfies with the good and great. Who wouldn't choose the latter?

 

[co-op]

Even if that's true so what? She's the women's officer for a CLP, do people check all the hundreds of other CLP women's officers to make sure they have enough position relevant tweets.

It's quite common to go through the twitter accounts of people occupying positions in public life - I see it a lot.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Labour To Confirm Trans People Rights To All-Women Shortlists

"Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party are set to strengthen transgender women’s rights, including access to all-women shortlists for Parliamentary selections."

 

[co-op]

Wevs. Honestly can't be arsed with you.

edit: To be fair, on looking it up, I wasn't aware that the word had quite such a transphobic history, so thanks for the educative point. It's clearly very sad for some people that it's ending...

I think your 'transphobia' slur might be a bit out of date old boy. This is a very fast-moving scene these days. Lily Madigan - among others - has claimed in public that she can have babies via a womb transplant. So transwomen can be womyn.

You despicable transphobe.

 

[8ball]

I think your 'transphobia' slur might be a bit out of date old boy. This is a very fast-moving scene these days. Lily Madigan - among others - has claimed in public that she can have babies via a womb transplant. So transwomen can be womyn.

You despicable transphobe.

and