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Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

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Her language about it betrays her personal attitude, imo, perhaps more than she thinks - piercings and tattoos are included among acts of 'self-mutilation', which have been 'promoted [among lesbians] in the last decade' (this was written in the 90s). She doesn't say who was doing the promoting.


Answer me this then, why do people get tattoos or piercings?
 
Sometimes it is the same space, why shouldn't women be allowed to dictate what is comfortable for them, is that a male only attribute because the male undermines that space anyway.

You seem to be talking about something different to what I was talking about here.
 
You drunk o' sumink????

A bit. I may have misread what you meant earlier, you seemed to be talking about men wanting to frighten women out of using their words.
I'm happy for anyone to use their own words, so long as I'm allowed to not understand them. But I got banned from the patriarchy lodge for backchat so I've missed a few meetings.
 
Well I was talking about the word TERF and reclaiming it from the men who turned it into a slur and a mysogynistic one at that

Ok. I don't really use the word, but I've seen women on this forum use the word TERF in a very uncomplimentary way.

Also, I tend to think it should be up to women to determine the extent to which trans women are accepted as women, but apparently that is making trans women into women's problem. Which feels a little loaded to me because I wasn't inclined to see trans women as necessarily a 'problem'.

Not more than humans are in general, anyway.
 
It's a basic question, it makes an individual different from the norm, it creates attention.
Or it makes an individual more like the norm, the tribe they want to be a part of.

I don't see why there would be a straightforward answer to such a question. Piercings and tattoos can be public or private, for instance, depending on where they are. Why the desire to reduce something in that way, or worse, to pathologise it?
 
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Self-branding? "'Cos you're not different enough", kind of thing?

I don't understand piercings tbf, but I kind of get tattoos, though I don't have any.
I have lots of scars, though. They're a little like tattoos in how they tell your story, though you don't choose them*.

* except for those scarification people
 
Or it makes an individual more like the norm, the tribe they want to be a part of.

I don't see why there would be a straightforward answer to such a question.


The norm are not pierced or tattooed, the norm accept their shit because that's the world that has worked for centuries, the norm work mundane jobs and try their best to make a better life for them and theirs.

For the record I am tattooed and have had piercings in the past.
 
The norm are not pierced or tattooed, the norm accept their shit because that's the world that has worked for centuries, the norm work mundane jobs and try their best to make a better life for them and theirs.

For the record I am tattooed and have had piercings in the past.

Why did you get the piercings, out of interest?
 
You mean you wanted the attention? I don't have tattoos either (but I'm nosy)


The tattoos I have are pretty well hidden, my mates a tattooist and I got a lot of freebies as did a lot of my friends, one of my mates is covered bar face, I got piercings to take difference to the next stage. I lasted about a year with the piercings until it slowly dawned on me that the attention I craved was coming from people I wanted fuck all to do with.

I have said this before about myself, I have a genuine dog in this race due to medical intervention and have struggled for years to come to terms with my personal situation and to be able to be the individual that I imagine myself to be, I have also learned that testosterone is a crazy hormone and trans MtF that keep their junk are going to be crazy fuckers, especially if they start doing HRT to transition whilst still producing natural testosterene.
 
I'm sorry you've had to go through all that shit. big hug to you


It's not a problem now, it was a problem when I binned my then partner of 14 years because she wanted children but was determined to stay with me, that devastated me but she did go on and have children with a good partner.
 
That must have been hell. I mean, I keep thinking it was difficult to leave my son's dad but I was relieved when I left the fiend. Best thing I ever did even I've never really recovered from the whole experience. This having gone through stuff leaves people with dogs in many races. Women's Aid helped me and I made some friends there. This whole thing is touches me more personally than I thought before or cared to admit even when I only tentatively started contributing to this thread.
 
So I guess I'm like many women. I haven't read the books on feminist theory, my views on feminism are based on my experience/the experience of people I know.

I've spent the last 25 years studying/working in areas that are generally perceived as male. I've dealt with/seen all kinds of shit on the way. As have most women I know.

So I can't even begin to express how utterly fucking annoying it is when people like Nigel Irritable tell me how this works and how I should be acting.

Nigel Irritable, you are a fucking disgrace. I guess at least you've united the women on here though...

(And if you paid attention to such things, you might wonder why/how this has happened and why people on 'your' side think you're a fucking liability. Actually listening to other people rather than always knowing best would a start. )
 
Might not have been as calculated as that - might just have been the case that one of the people involved in the event is trans and wanted it clear on the poster that trans people are welcome. People organising bike rides often don't have media and branding consultants on staff.

It’s simply about ticking all the right-on boxes without thinking any of it through.
 
(And if you paid attention to such things, you might wonder why/how this has happened and why people on 'your' side think you're a fucking liability. Actually listening to other people rather than always knowing best would a start. )

He's a fucking fascist and won't accept his frustration that he is immaterial to whatever the conversation is.

Right wing have quotas and the left wing have lists, both mean people who do not deserve attention are attacked and purged.

It's always about power, no matter what their political views are, may as well get a tattoo, at least that is more in your face.
 
He's a fucking fascist and won't accept his frustration that he is immaterial to whatever the conversation is.

Right wing have quotas and the left wing have lists, both mean people who do not deserve attention are attacked and purged.

It's always about power, no matter what their political views are, may as well get a tattoo, at least that is more in your face.
I believe Nigel Irritable is involved in 'progressive politics'.
 
I'm just gonna interject here to say that I hate the term "progressive". It's such a bullshit meaningless term and a huge exercise in virtue signalling - which a year back I thought was just hyperbolic term, but now I think virtue signalling does exist as a political thing.

"I'm a progressive"... Yeah? Well where are you progressing to? Cuz you can progress into a ditch or into dog shit and ain't nobody that wants to go there.

Whenever I hear the term "let's do the *PROGRESSIVE* thing" it makes me run a mile. Usually ill thought out, mantra repeating bollocks follows.
 
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