Tour de France 2022
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Reaching out
Vingegaard has been a revelation this tour. Thomas is sticking with it but not really a winner. Froome has shown signs of coming back, in spite of his age. Quintana still can't quite get there. Sorry for Pidcock today who was looking good for top ten It's certainly not been a sprinters race ( I see Cav is threatening to return next year). A bit of a worry is the times. A few days at least, they have come home inside the fastest estimated time 
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
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David Clapson
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What with the stages being shortened, are the predicted times based on enough data to be regarded as gospel?
Plus the age of the top riders has reduced a lot, presumably because of more scientific/bigger budget youth development. Used to be that you weren't expected to complete a grand tour with a good time unless you had "matured". How do you go about comparing Pog's data with the riders of 10 years ago?
Plus the age of the top riders has reduced a lot, presumably because of more scientific/bigger budget youth development. Used to be that you weren't expected to complete a grand tour with a good time unless you had "matured". How do you go about comparing Pog's data with the riders of 10 years ago?
Cid
Proper break this time
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Incredible pull from McNulty, thought he pull over on the last climb. Reminiscent of Rohan Dennis at the Giro'20.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Great sportsmanship… that happened to have a bonus of getting his domestiques back 
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Great sportsmanship… that happened to have a bonus of getting his domestiques back
Well, that's it; he might have got a call from the car. Also he almost crashed a few bends before that.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
WvA wtf
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Wow. Pog gone.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
What a way to do it. Fantastic ride from Jonas, and superb teamwork from Jumbo.
Numbers
an ting!
Absolute machine.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Has won the geeen jersey. Was 3rd on a stage with 2 HC climbs, only being beaten by the riders in 1st and 2nd place on GC. Oh, and may well win the sprint on Sunday. It’s insane.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
I'm fearing the Jumbo doctor is the key team player. I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories but that was pretty alarming.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I dunno. They’re either all at it again, or the sport is clean and (known, established) gains in training, nutrition and equipment are as beneficial as they’re said to be.
Either way, I’m happy to just watch the spectacle, it’s been the best tour for years.
Cid
Proper break this time
Pog's fall might have been 'minor' by tdf standards, but you could see he'd lost a fair bit of skin. Only needed to be off his game by a few percentage points for Jonas to take that kind of time.
Not that I'm going to say there's no doping in the peloton... But I don't think you can just extrapolate from relative performance on the day. Also Vingegaard's attack on stage 11 saw him hit 6.1-6.3w/kg for 15 minutes or so. The likes of Pantani, Ullrich etc were doing far higher numbers than that. Think Armstrong could get mid 6s for 30 minutes, close to 7 for 20 minutes (am not going to do a deep dive to look up confirmed figures). And as Bees says we do have actual, measurable improvements in training, nutrition etc. The tech one sometimes leaves me with a bit of a raised eyebrow (always seems to be '1-2 watts' for whatever vastly expensive thing ceramicspeed is trying to shift). But I think broader stuff like lighter aero wheels, better rider comfort, better shifting, braking etc are on firmer ground.
And yeah, this tour has been phenomenal.
Not that I'm going to say there's no doping in the peloton... But I don't think you can just extrapolate from relative performance on the day. Also Vingegaard's attack on stage 11 saw him hit 6.1-6.3w/kg for 15 minutes or so. The likes of Pantani, Ullrich etc were doing far higher numbers than that. Think Armstrong could get mid 6s for 30 minutes, close to 7 for 20 minutes (am not going to do a deep dive to look up confirmed figures). And as Bees says we do have actual, measurable improvements in training, nutrition etc. The tech one sometimes leaves me with a bit of a raised eyebrow (always seems to be '1-2 watts' for whatever vastly expensive thing ceramicspeed is trying to shift). But I think broader stuff like lighter aero wheels, better rider comfort, better shifting, braking etc are on firmer ground.
And yeah, this tour has been phenomenal.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Van Aert > Laurent Jalabert
Laurent Jalabert
Laurent Jalabert (born 1968-11-30) is a road racing cyclist from France, active between 1988 and 2002.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The stuff CeramicSpeed sells is mostly laughable outside of a wind tunnel, but the bikes nowadays are measurably and significantly faster. Advances in clothing add another key watt saving. Both are noticeable for even an average rider, never mind at the speeds the biological freaks of the peloton can manage.
