Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21

[chilango]

I don't disagree but can you back this up with some evidence?

Evidence of what?

 

[Dandred]

Evidence of what?

"this is the absolutely direct manifestation of the society designed and implemented by him and his colleagues"

For example, how was it designed and in which way. Some examples would be nice.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just would like some examples of what you are claiming.

 

[platinumsage]

Suspect apparently is foreign:



My Maldives secret agent theory looking good.

 

[oryx]

I'd like to have seen him lose his seat in a manner 1,000 times more humiliating than Portillo.
I'd like to have seen him bankrupted and having to eke out a living by trying to work out and live within the horrible and punitive benefits system his party have created.
Etc. etc.

But this sort of brutal death I would not wish on anyone, not even a tory.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Suspect apparently is foreign:



My Maldives secret agent theory looking good.

Nope . But There will be plenty of gnashing of teeth and outrage later by the usual suspects

 

[chilango]

"this is the absolutely direct manifestation of the society designed and implemented by him and his colleagues"

For example, how was it designed and in which way. Some examples would be nice.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just would like some examples of what you are claiming.

Ok.

You could look at the data showing rising distrust in politicians. And the removal of of the infrastructures of support and community. The individualisation of risk, and it's consequences. The dismantling of avenues and vehicles for protest and change...

 

[The39thStep]

I mean, obviously, it's horrific. Particularly for those innocent bystanders caught up in it who will have to live with those memories of today and what they experienced

But...this is the absolutely direct manifestation of the society designed and implemented by him and his colleagues.

We can obviously point to the casual and callous disregard for the 138,000+ who have died of Covid, including the 157 today who will receive no outpouring of outrage from Amess' colleagues.

We could point to the 50,000 - 120,000 deaths caused by the austerity policies of Amess' Party.

We could equally look at the cynical whipping up of hatred and division by Amess' Party in its pursuit of power, it's willingness to deploy rhetoric of treachery and war.

The death of one is a tragedy. The death of millions is just a statistic.

So, spare me the performative outrage, the howls of horror, the wailing, the weeping, the gnashing of teeth...this is the world he made turning on one of its masters.

So he asked for it really ? Wasn’t a question of if just when?

 

[chilango]

Ok.

You could look at the data showing rising distrust in politicians. And the removal of of the infrastructures of support and community. The individualisation of risk, and it's consequences. The dismantling of avenues and vehicles for protest and change...

Lots of data for this stuff can be found in polling, in the British Social Attitudes surveys, in the reports put out by various bodies such as the Social Mobility Commission or even the ONS.

There's tens, hundreds of thousands of pages of reports and books and papers charting the changes in British society under Tory rule.

 

[gosub]

I post this tweet without comment

cryptic murder crosswords?

 

[chilango]

So he asked for it really ? Wasn’t a question of if just when?

That's not how I would put it.

No.

It's a shocking, but not surprising, consequence of a process that he has t he played a small, but active, role in.

Talk of "asking for it" starts to suggest stuff like "he deserved it". That's not a judgement I'm willing to make. Nor should anyone else.

 

[PR1Berske]

cryptic murder crosswords?

His entire feed appears to be trying to prove that nothing is real, everything is staged.

 

[SE25]

Well this is shaping up for a fun week of discourse...

 

[Dandred]

Ok.

You could look at the data showing rising distrust in politicians. And the removal of of the infrastructures of support and community. The individualisation of risk, and it's consequences. The dismantling of avenues and vehicles for protest and change...

I could, but that doesn't really answer what I asked.

If you can't provide any examples of policies to back up your claim that okay too.

 

[Ax^]

I'd like to have seen him lose his seat in a manner 1,000 times more humiliating than Portillo.
I'd like to have seen him bankrupted and having to eke out a living by trying to work out and live within the horrible and punitive benefits system his party have created.
Etc. etc.

But this sort of brutal death I would not wish on anyone, not even a tory.

aside from Boris

I'd quite happly watch him be demaned , disembolwed and cut into 1/4's

 

[Spymaster]

I mean, obviously, it's horrific. Particularly for those innocent bystanders caught up in it who will have to live with those memories of today and what they experienced

But...this is the absolutely direct manifestation of the society designed and implemented by him and his colleagues.

We can obviously point to the casual and callous disregard for the 138,000+ who have died of Covid, including the 157 today who will receive no outpouring of outrage from Amess' colleagues.

We could point to the 50,000 - 120,000 deaths caused by the austerity policies of Amess' Party.

We could equally look at the cynical whipping up of hatred and division by Amess' Party in its pursuit of power, it's willingness to deploy rhetoric of treachery and war.

The death of one is a tragedy. The death of millions is just a statistic.

So, spare me the performative outrage, the howls of horror, the wailing, the weeping, the gnashing of teeth...this is the world he made turning on one of its masters.

Yeah. I bet the stabber was thinking about all of this when he murdered the bloke.

Load of old bollocks.

 

[Ax^]

So he asked for it really ? Wasn’t a question of if just when?

just happened to early once the revolution comes

they will all be up against the wall without blindfolds

 

[Dandred]

Lots of data for this stuff can be found in polling, in the British Social Attitudes surveys, in the reports put out by various bodies such as the Social Mobility Commission or even the ONS.

There's tens, hundreds of thousands of pages of reports and books and papers charting the changes in British society under Tory rule.

Great, so you should be able to give me an example of how the society was "designed and implemented by him and his colleagues."

I just want to see an example.

 

[Ax^]

jesus do we have people defending individual tory mps now because someone stabbed one of them

 

[19sixtysix]

I have trouble giving one fuck despite knowing murder is wrong. He was an MP who voted for section 28. Cunt!

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah. I bet the stabber was thinking about all of this when he murdered the bloke.

Load of old bollocks.

From the sounds of things he wasn't. He was concentrating on the task at hand

 

[bimble]

i hope it was a constituent who'd been in loads of times to talk about his boundary wall dispute.

 

[Orang Utan]

Great, so you should be able to give me an example of how the society was "designed and implemented by him and his colleagues."

I just want to see an example.

if you agree, why do you need an example?

 

[Pickman's model]

jesus do we have people defending individual tory mps now because someone stabbed one of them

How this place has fallen

 

[SpookyFrank]

Great, so you should be able to give me an example of how the society was "designed and implemented by him and his colleagues."

I just want to see an example.

You missed the bit where they've been running the country for a decade then.

 

[Orang Utan]

i hope it was a constituent who'd been in loads of times to talk about his boundary wall dispute.

it was probably an angry leaseholder

 

[Ax^]

just for the record for any bleatinghearts about the death of a tory mp

Boris Johnson defends comments about murdered MP Jo Cox

 

[Pickman's model]

You missed the bit where they've been running the country for a decade then.

Yeh since he entered parliament the Tories have been in government for 25 of the 38 years

 

[The39thStep]

just happened to early once the revolution comes

they will all be up against the wall without blindfolds

Not sure that this will be looked back on as a key building block when the great day comes tbh

 

[bimble]

it was probably an angry leaseholder

A pothole obsessive.

 

[Dandred]

if you agree, why do you need an example?

I agree with the sentiment, like I agree evolution is real, nice to have facts to back up a point though, otherwise you can say any old shit.