SysOut
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If you hadn't deliberately misquoted me inmy propaganda thread and intentionally trashed it, perhaps I'd give you the respect you otherwise no doubt deserve.
Therese Coffey Health Secretary your time is up
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
I regularly check with at least two people who variously turn up in trackie bottoms or sporting a quite fabulous leopard-print coat paired with DMs and chains about stuff to do with protest law. Because they're very good at it. There's also a crust punk I know whose knowledge of squatting rights is impeccable. By contrast I know of quite a lot of people who've been done up like a kipper because of lazy, suited, lawyers.
I didn't actually say she couldn't do her job, did I? I called her a fat cunt, based on having seen her in a restaurant.
Puddy_Tat
santa paws, do you ever come to the ghetto?
not 'loads' from what i can find, but the register of members interests lists a few freebies (some years ago now) from gallaher ltd, weybridge, who were in the tobacco business.
dunno if arguing about whether one tory is more of a twunt than another tory is a worthwhile exercise, to be honest...
That's very much not appearing on your behalf in a courtroom, which was what I said. Being friends with a couple of protesters is neither here nor there.
not a trot
Well-Known Member
Yes, I think that's fair, but with one proviso. This is a thread about her specifically, and in my case it was me who saw her, and me who hoped her health might fail her before she can fail other people's - and I stand by that.
Puddy_Tat
santa paws, do you ever come to the ghetto?
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Make up your mind.
Not that this matters particularly, because as noted above, what is being asked of you here is not that you try to change the balance of social norms in which a large mass of people who think presentation matters regularly vote for the worst kinds of scumbags, but to raise the bar ever so slightly when you're on urban. It's not like said bar is terribly high ffs.
SysOut
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But I wasn't was I?
More straw man arguments or is it that you can't read?
Your use of words is deplorable!!
What do mean by 'unfit' - do you understand the word 'fit' (clue: "key fits into the lock")
The same goes for the word "healthy", in case you are tempted to use it.
We are talking about people put into postitions of responsibility where their very public lifestyle shouldn't contradict their responsibilities.
Thus a minister of justice who lies and has income from illicit earnings, isn't setting a good example for any law and order attitudes s/he is supposed to encourage.
You are trolling.and you're l
I joined a soap forum (one, singular, not plural) during Covid, where a set of vicious right wing, openly racist, misogynist, thick bastards set about me, made horrific references to me and my family, and followed me around every other thread I entered - the same handful of arseholes each time, that I couldn't shake off, despite begging them to leave me alone - as I now have to do with you evidently, while you insinuate yourself into conflict with this trail of bullshit.
You are trolling, and if in relation to me, you are lying.
I joined a soap forum (one, singular, not plural) during Covid, where a set of vicious right wing, openly racist, misogynist, thick bastards set about me, made horrific references to me and my family, and followed me around every other thread I entered - the same handful of arseholes each time, that I couldn't shake off, despite begging them to leave me alone - as I now have to do with you evidently, while you insinuate yourself into conflict with this trail of bullshit.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
If you think a single Health Minister in the last 100 years has been perfectly health-conscious and never gotten blitzed at a work do you're delusional. I mean ffs stand outside a hospital and count the smoking doctors once in a while. Ministers do a job, they're not pin-ups and only people who already hate them try to impose such ideas.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They're all twunts in different ways
Puddy_Tat
santa paws, do you ever come to the ghetto?
i can't find the video of the song (think it was class war) with the chorus
they're all a bunch of cunts
they're all a bunch of cunts
they're all a bunch of cunts
fuck off the lot of you, you're all a bunch of cunts
SysOut
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We are not talking about health workers.
We are talking about a public figure; meaning that being in the limelight and setting an image is part of the job.
I think it matters, in a professional context - and I've never voted for scumbags. I haven't contradicted myself. I'm not responsible for how and why others vote.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Jesus Mary and Joseph I thought you had a couple of brain cells to rub together. You clearly said fit people make better health secretaries. The corollary of this is unfit people make worse health secretaries. Indeed you've been explicit about this in the case of therese coffey. You used the word fit, I used unfit in response. Do you need every single step signposted for you?
ruffneck23
front left
At the end of the day we all think she is a cunt, the 'fat' bit really doesnt add anything to the argument and detracts from her actual cuntiness.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You have always voted for scumbags
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Don't like the fat shaming turn this thread has taken. and I do not like the way women get an unfair amount of focus on their appearance.
More Tory shaming please, more focus on the terrible shit coming out of Coffey's mouth and department please.
edited to add: quit with the cross thread beefs people!
More Tory shaming please, more focus on the terrible shit coming out of Coffey's mouth and department please.
edited to add: quit with the cross thread beefs people!
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Is it? Find me the clause in the Health Ministry job description which says "oh and by the way you'll need to go on a diet and start jogging to work." The only actual criteria is "did you get elected as an MP" and "does the PM want you to do this," followed by "have you managed to seem competent enough to help your team win." None of this is weight-related, except in the minds of people looking for some mud to sling. And you are not her constituency.
Well, in philosophical terms quite possibly. In terms of right wing bastards who reliably inflict the maximum human misery on others, never.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I think you're setting the bar for scumbags rather high, your def here might include Hitler but exclude mussolini, Franco, petain, mosley, tyndall, Blair, Cameron, may, Johnson, truss, Patel, bravermann: and therese coffey
Fair enough, that may be my fault - I carelessly clouded the main issue by being bitchy in a flippant way, which is what I'm like in private rather than professional contexts. I'm sitting in my own living room, and so to me this is private - it's like being on the phone, so I type as I speak, but I should've kept in mind that this is public and that people are strangers to each other, who don't know people's character or motives or mood.
I'm not going to change my mind, or describe her differently, and I'd be as scathing about a man.
No, it includes all of those you mentioned. Very much including Coffey. I'm uncomfortable with her in all respects.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It includes everyone I've mentioned because you don't like them rather than them fitting your definition. You're all over the shop on this one.
SysOut
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Show me the Health Ministry job description
As I said: "Show me the Health Ministry job description"
I can't help you if you want to ignore the realities of politics.
I'm sorry, that statement doesn't make sense. I'm not. It doesn't ultimately matter, but no, I'm not all over the shop. I haven't contradicted myself, I've explained where I'm coming from. Others might've found it too bitchy and that's fine (although some of what followed has been way more than bitchy) but that doesn't make it all over the shop. I thought you were making a philosophical retort - if you weren't, that's my mistake, but it still isn't my inconsistency.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
I like to think of U75 as a bit like what we used to call consciousness raising. If you say something sexist, racist or daily mail-ish you will be challenged to think again.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Here you go.
Seems to me that you're ignoring the realities of politics. Theresa Coffey is where she is because she appeals to her electorate. They don't care if she's fat, and probably enjoy that she smokes cigars and is a bit of a lout in that photo, as long as she delivers what they want. And because she's a Tory she's spared the sort of shit that the Sun and Daily Mail might aim at a Labourite. It's only people like you, who already don't like her, who are going to bother harping on about her weight and to (not just) her supporters that'll just make you sound like a twat. To doctors, meanwhile, the thing they'll care about is what she's doing re: policy. If they don't like those policies then maybe some of their number will end up mentioning her weight on Twitter, but spokespeople know that sort of shit plays badly in public these days so I doubt it'll come from anyone with any influence. That's the "realities of politics."
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