Therese Coffey Health Secretary your time is up

[UrbaneFox]

'Do come in, have a drink, do'

 

[Tanya1982]

Hopefully this evil fat cunt will end up having a heart attack or something. I saw her months ago in a restaurant - I'm sorry I didn't give her more than an ice cold glance as she waddled past on the way to her trough.

 

[Rob Ray]

Her BMI is irrelevant to whether she's a piece of shit or not. Jeremy Hunt has done considerably more damage in his career with very little in the way of spare flesh.

 

[Tanya1982]

Her BMI is irrelevant to whether she's a piece of shit or not. Jeremy Hunt has done considerably more damage in his career with very little in the way of spare flesh.

I didn't say it was relevant to her personality. That said, I do think presentation counts for quite a lot and there's no point in pretending the eyes don't see, so I'm not sorry for what I said about her, and I'll continue to describe her in the way of my choosing.

 

[SysOut]

Her BMI is irrelevant to whether she's a piece of shit or not. Jeremy Hunt has done considerably more damage in his career with very little in the way of spare flesh.

It is relevant to a health secretary:
If HMG spends millions to get health messages across to the public, then one doesn't want a health secretary whose life style totally contradicts them.
HMG health messages not being political messages but health messages based, presumably, on best scientific advice.

 

[Sue]

I didn't say it was relevant to her personality. That said, I do think presentation counts for quite a lot and there's no point in pretending the eyes don't see, so I'm not sorry for what I said about her, and I'll continue to describe her in the way of my choosing.

Criticise her politics and actions all you like. Criticising how she looks really isn't on.

 

[Pickman's model]

I didn't say it was relevant to her personality. That said, I do think presentation counts for quite a lot and there's no point in pretending the eyes don't see, so I'm not sorry for what I said about her, and I'll continue to describe her in the way of my choosing.

Can you post a picture of yourself for comparison with dr coffey?

 

[Pickman's model]

It is relevant to a health secretary:
If HMG spends millions to get health messages across to the public, then one doesn't want a health secretary whose life style totally contradicts them.
HMG health messages not being political messages but health messages based, presumably, on best scientific advice.

Feeble.

 

[SysOut]

Criticise her politics and actions all you like. Criticising how she looks really isn't on.

The photo of her with a cigar in her mouth and a glass of somthing alcoholic relates to her actions.
Her appearance is a manifestation of her actions.
We are talking about the health secretary - not the foreign secretary etc.
It relates to her function in the government of this country.
It is not a general criticism of other people.
Being fit doesn't make you a better person, but it does make you a better health secretary.

 

[Pickman's model]

The photo of her with a cigar in her mouth and a glass of somthing alcoholic relates to her actions.
Her appearance is a manifestation of her actions.
We are talking about the health secretary - not the foreign secretary etc.
It relates to her function in the government of this country.
It is not a general criticism of other people.
Being fit doesn't make you a better person, but it does make you a better health secretary.

Because you have examples no doubt of fit health secretaries being really really good I suppose. Oh, and you wouldn't be making this 'argument' if she was a man

 

[Rob Ray]

presentation counts for quite a lot

Yes, a lot of people thought that when they elected plausibly slick David Cameron and charming buffoon Boris Johnson. Perhaps it's time we stopped being quite so beholden to the childish notion that presentation is what we're looking for in serious roles.

 

[Wilf]

The photo of her with a cigar in her mouth and a glass of somthing alcoholic relates to her actions.
Her appearance is a manifestation of her actions.
We are talking about the health secretary - not the foreign secretary etc.
It relates to her function in the government of this country.
It is not a general criticism of other people.
Being fit doesn't make you a better person, but it does make you a better health secretary.

This government is inflicting horrors across the board on the poor and plenty of others. But you want to go with 'ha ha, look at fatty'. As well as being irrelevant it's pretty shit to make value judgements on appearance.

 

[Pickman's model]

Here's aneurin bevan smoking on a hospital bed

That's not really on, is it, SysOut. Clearly an unfit health secretary

 

[LDC]

So offload the burden (so to speak) onto pharmacies, and not GP surgeries. That helps, how?

Because plenty of minor conditions can be assessed and treated by people with the appropriate training (usually an MSc on top of their degree and years of practice) that are not doctors but other HCPs. It happens now, and it's a good thing to expand it.

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[LDC]

Being fit doesn't make you a better person, but it does make you a better health secretary.

Does it fuck. What complete bullshit. People having a go at that regularly re-posted photo of her smoking and having a drink, or commenting on her appearance is at best shit politics, at worst complete misogynist shit, so everyone doing it fuck right off.

Work yesterday...

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Because you have examples no doubt of fit health secretaries being really really good I suppose. Oh, and you wouldn't be making this 'argument' if she was a man

not entirely sure - i seem to remember some comment about kenneth clarke (over lifestyle things not just his politics) when he was health secretary

 

[Pickman's model]

not entirely sure - i seem to remember some comment about kenneth clarke (over lifestyle things not just his politics) when he was health secretary

He took loads of money from tobacco firms. I don't imagine therese coffey has

 

[SysOut]

Feeble.

Yes, you'd prefer the Trump approach no doubt - eating fast food is healthy. "You can trust me, I'm your president."

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, you'd prefer the Trump approach no doubt - eating fast food is healthy. "You can trust me, I'm your president."

I'd prefer an argument which didn't make you look like a cunt. Perhaps I ask too much.

 

[Wilf]

not entirely sure - i seem to remember some comment about kenneth clarke (over lifestyle things not just his politics) when he was health secretary

I think you are right, there were comments/jokes. But from what I remember, there was always an element of it all being told as part of his good bloke, hush puppy wearing, smoking and drinking persona. Something that actually helped him in his career/

 

[Tanya1982]

It is relevant to a health secretary:
If HMG spends millions to get health messages across to the public, then one doesn't want a health secretary whose life style totally contradicts them.
HMG health messages not being political messages but health messages based, presumably, on best scientific advice.

Yes, that's where I am with it.

I'd like a more holistic approach to healthcare - one that, for instance, sees physical activity and inclusion/access to facilities as something to be instilled from the earliest age - so, lets say, working strongly with education on related issues like playing fields/pools/gyms, you name it. So building relationships with several different ministerial departments.

There is absolutely no benefit to pretending that obesity is OK, that it's just one of those things. It isn't. It's not good enough.

 

[platinumsage]

Ken Clarke was the last Chancellor to drink booze during the budget and the last Chancellor to preside over a budget surplus, therefore Therese Coffey is going to save the NHS by shutting all the A&E departments so there are fewer pesky patients to worry about, or something.

 

[BristolEcho]

I am really tired of seeing that picture of her. There are loads of pictures of me out there wrecked and they don't affect the job I do.

The stupidity is her giving out anti-biotics and even more so as you are usually meant to finish the full course. There are loads of things to attack her on rather than her physicality and dredged up pictures.

 

[Tanya1982]

Yes, a lot of people thought that when they elected plausibly slick David Cameron and charming buffoon Boris Johnson. Perhaps it's time we stopped being quite so beholden to the childish notion that presentation is what we're looking for in serious roles.

I will do what I like. Anyone taken in by Cameron and Johnson, or who thought they appeared to be slick or charming, has only their own judgement to blame. The childish notion is to pretend presentation doesn't matter - would you employ a lawyer who turned up to court in a tracksuit? I doubt it, no matter how great a grasp they had.

 

[Rob Ray]

Yes, that's where I am with it.

I'd like a more holistic approach to healthcare - one that, for instance, sees physical activity and inclusion/access to facilities as something to be instilled from the earliest age - so, lets say, working strongly with education on related issues like playing fields/pools/gyms, you name it. So building relationships with several different ministerial departments.

There is absolutely no benefit to pretending that obesity is OK, that it's just one of those things. It isn't. It's not good enough.

You are well aware that no-one is "pretending obesity is okay" here, so why are you pretending this is the case? This is about whether someone can be overweight and do their job. Which manifestly, as Health Secretary is a decision-making role based on data and policy rather than a promo gig for couch-to-5K, you can be. Not that she will, because she's a rabid ideologue with zero background in the field amid a party political meltdown – but that's the thing worth criticising rather than vapid shit about what she chooses to eat of an evening.

 

[SysOut]

Here's aneurin bevan smoking on a hospital bed
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That's not really on, is it, SysOut. Clearly an unfit health secretary

Excellent demonstrating of dialectical thinking on your part. Or simply all assumptions and no science.
Am I beholden to Bevan? My hero? assumptions, assumptions..
What we do know is that back then everyone was encouraged to smoke, my dad was told iduring the war that it was in fact healthy - and that it was Labour's policy to keep beer and fags cheap.

Was it wrong, Pickman's model ? Of course it was !!!!
But did he know it at the time?
Certainly, Ken Clarke and Coffey know it's wrong - but they don't care 'cos they're "cavaliers" about their own health and they think that gives them the right to be cavalier about the health of the general population.

 

[Tanya1982]

I'd prefer an argument which didn't make you look like a cunt. Perhaps I ask too much.

Only yesterday I saw you referring to vulgar gossip about someone's sex life as if that was relevant, but today you're calling someone a cunt for this?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, that's where I am with it.

I'd like a more holistic approach to healthcare - one that, for instance, sees physical activity and inclusion/access to facilities as something to be instilled from the earliest age - so, lets say, working strongly with education on related issues like playing fields/pools/gyms, you name it. So building relationships with several different ministerial departments.

There is absolutely no benefit to pretending that obesity is OK, that it's just one of those things. It isn't. It's not good enough.

You really are something of a pompous shit

 

[Wilf]

Yes, that's where I am with it.

I'd like a more holistic approach to healthcare - one that, for instance, sees physical activity and inclusion/access to facilities as something to be instilled from the earliest age - so, lets say, working strongly with education on related issues like playing fields/pools/gyms, you name it. So building relationships with several different ministerial departments.

There is absolutely no benefit to pretending that obesity is OK, that it's just one of those things. It isn't. It's not good enough.

Obesity might be a 'problem' or not, that's largely something for the individuals affected to decide. It might even be a social 'problem' that the NHS has to factor into it's provision/planning. But shaming those same individuals is a cunt's trick. If you are that fussed about it, get onto the food manufacturers..advertisers etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

Excellent demonstrating of dialectical thinking on your part. Or simply all assumptions and no science.
Am I beholden to Bevan? My hero? assumptions, assumptions..
What we do know is that back then everyone was encouraged to smoke, my dad was told iduring the war that it was in fact healthy - and that it was Labour's policy to keep beer and fags cheap.

Was it wrong, Pickman's model ? Of course it was !!!!
But did he know it at the time?[\b]
Certainly, Ken Clarke and Coffey know it's wrong - but they don't care 'cos they're "cavaliers" about their own health and they think that gives them the right to be cavalier about the health of the general population.

You were on about unfit people being shit health secretaries and fit ones being better. Your assertions falls at the first hurdle