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The Virgin Mary

Kevbad the Bad said:
All successful religions are a mixture of truth and lies. Historical inaccuracies abound in any scripture, which the faithful can choose to ignore or explain away. Some historical statements will be basically true, or have elements of truth about them. But human knowledge generally increases over time, so certain religious statements or beliefs will be exposed as untrue eventually. More noticeable is how religions fail what I call the kangaroo test. The eternal verities enshrined in the Bible or Koran somehow fail to reference kangaroos. Is that because the almighty didn't create them, or because the humans who invented the religion were necessarily just ignorant?
Truisms about life, love etc abound as well in most religions, which may seem more or less appropriate in certain cultures at certain times, as well as loads of prejudice and political crap.
But there is no point in asking if any of them are true? We can explain the origins of the myth of Santa Claus and we can explain in a similar way the origins of any and all human belief systems. Where those beliefs rely on invented suppositions they can be safely discounted.
Here endeth the lesson.
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Kevbad the Bad said:
I call it the kangaroo test because that applies to Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc. Down under you could call it the Moo Cow test, or something similar. The point being that those religions which pretend to cosmic knowledge don't know what's around the corner, astronomically speaking.
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The point is that there's nothing remotely approaching evidence. How can anyone be expected to know which one is right, assuming one is? And there's no reason to assume that.
 
Now we are here I'm actually interested in how likely that portrait posted by bcuster is within credibility. Supposed to be a first hand portrait of the Virgin Mary.
 
ouirdeaux said:
The point is that there's nothing remotely approaching evidence. How can anyone be expected to know which one is right, assuming one is? And there's no reason to assume that.
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Why is there a blue sky above us on a sunny day? Is that not proof that God exists?
 
ouirdeaux said:
But how do I know in which tradition to have faith? The odds are massively against my picking the right one.
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Then again any God that’s supposed to be all-knowing, merciful and wise surely wouldn’t damn billions of His own children to oblivion, never mind an eternity of indescribable pain and suffering, for simply not having worshipped Him due to not even being aware of his brand of religion. I mean, what kind of lunatic, psychopath arsehole of a deity would send a good person from deep in the Amazon forest to eternal damnation for not following his rules, when they hadn’t even been made aware of him and his brand of faith during their entire lives? Or for that matter, which faith to choose even if you are aware of multiple ones.

Perhaps the Almighty could have the decency to actually appear Himself to all those people born into the wrong faiths to let them know he’s the real deal and they’d better swift allegiances pronto, rather than expect someone born in a country worshipping the wrong god to somehow have a punt and choose him for the lulz.

It’s either that, or it doesn’t actually matter at all who do you worship so long as you’re a decent sort. Of course, a truly benevolent deity wouldn’t give a fuck whether you worship them or not in the first place, so as an atheist I have no issues whatsoever with the possibility that there could be a god after all and I didn’t spend my life kissing their arse.
 
bcuster said:
I’d go with Catholicism were I you.
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But you don't say why.

So I'll supply the reason. You were born into the faith, and it's far more comfortable for you to believe what you've been told. I don't think I've ever met anyone who comes across as so limited who doesn't have a recognised intellectual disability.
 
T & P said:
Then again any God that’s supposed to be all-knowing, merciful and wise surely wouldn’t damn billions of His own children to oblivion, never mind an eternity of indescribable pain and suffering, for simply not having worshipped Him due to not even being aware of his brand of religion. I mean, what kind of lunatic, psychopath arsehole of a deity would send a good person from deep in the Amazon forest to eternal damnation for not following his rules, when they hadn’t even been made aware of him and his brand of faith during their entire lives? Or for that matter, which faith to choose even if you are aware of multiple ones. Perhaps the Almighty could have the decency to actually appear Himself to all those people born into the wrong faiths to let them know he’s the real deal and they’d better swift allegiances pronto, rather than expect someone born in a country worshipping the wrong god to somehow have a punt and choose him for the lulz.
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Those people are not condemned
 
ouirdeaux said:
But you don't say why.

So I'll supply the reason. You were born into the faith, and it's far more comfortable for you to believe what you've been told. I don't think I've ever met anyone who comes across as so limited who doesn't have a recognised intellectual disability.
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I hate to make posts like this, but I’d bet a good sum of money that I have far more formal education than you do.

Plus a god deal more tact, subtlety and politeness
 
T & P said:
Then again any God that’s supposed to be all-knowing, merciful and wise surely wouldn’t damn billions of His own children to oblivion, never mind an eternity of indescribable pain and suffering, for simply not having worshipped Him due to not even being aware of his brand of religion. I mean, what kind of lunatic, psychopath arsehole of a deity would send a good person from deep in the Amazon forest to eternal damnation for not following his rules, when they hadn’t even been made aware of him and his brand of faith during their entire lives? Or for that matter, which faith to choose even if you are aware of multiple ones. Perhaps the Almighty could have the decency to actually appear Himself to all those people born into the wrong faiths to let them know he’s the real deal and they’d better swift allegiances pronto, rather than expect someone born in a country worshipping the wrong god to somehow have a punt and choose him for the lulz.
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This God needs to be tracked down and punished for their crimes.

Where's Gorr the God Butcher when you need him?
 
bcuster said:
I hate to make posts like this, but I’d bet a good sum of money that I have far more formal education than you do.

Plus a god deal more tact, subtlety and politeness
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You may, or you may not. I suspect you don't. You're in the States, where an eighth-grade reading level isn't required for university.

Regardless of whatever worthless piece of paper you may clasp to your bosom, you have no concept of what constitutes historical evidence.
 
ouirdeaux said:
You may, or you may not. I suspect you don't. You're in the States, where an eighth-grade reading level isn't required for university.

Regardless of whatever worthless piece of paper you may clasp to your bosom, you have no concept of what constitutes historical evidence.
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In fairness to the poster, it shouldn't matter where they come from or live. Parochialism isn't good for urban.
 
I’m not pouring gasoline on low flames 🔥 nor engaging in ad hominem arguments. I’ve never seen an Internet forum where threads like this go well
 
ouirdeaux said:
But you don't say why.

So I'll supply the reason. You were born into the faith, and it's far more comfortable for you to believe what you've been told. I don't think I've ever met anyone who comes across as so limited who doesn't have a recognised intellectual disability.
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Suggesting that other posters have a "recognised intellectual disability" is not acceptable.

I've reported your post.
 
I wasn't suggesting that anyone here had an intellectual disability. How did you derive that interpretation from my post?
 
T & P said:
Then again any God that’s supposed to be all-knowing, merciful and wise surely wouldn’t damn billions of His own children to oblivion, never mind an eternity of indescribable pain and suffering, for simply not having worshipped Him due to not even being aware of his brand of religion. I mean, what kind of lunatic, psychopath arsehole of a deity would send a good person from deep in the Amazon forest to eternal damnation for not following his rules, when they hadn’t even been made aware of him and his brand of faith during their entire lives? Or for that matter, which faith to choose even if you are aware of multiple ones.

Perhaps the Almighty could have the decency to actually appear Himself to all those people born into the wrong faiths to let them know he’s the real deal and they’d better swift allegiances pronto, rather than expect someone born in a country worshipping the wrong god to somehow have a punt and choose him for the lulz.

It’s either that, or it doesn’t actually matter at all who do you worship so long as you’re a decent sort. Of course, a truly benevolent deity wouldn’t give a fuck whether you worship them or not in the first place, so as an atheist I have no issues whatsoever with the possibility that there could be a god after all and I didn’t spend my life kissing their arse.
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Catholic teaching is, in fact, the latter, that it doesn’t actually matter at all who you worship so long as you’re a decent sort.

This thread continues to demonstrate that many of those angrily condemning Catholicism are profoundly ignorant of its actual teachings.
 
For years the Roman Catholics -- and indeed other branches of Christianity -- put people to death for disagreeing on the finer points of theology. Kill them all, let God sort them out. After all, that's why Thomas Aquinas thought heretics should be put to death: if they persuaded others of their error, they endangered their immortal souls. Heretics were worse than murderers.

And our would-be defender of the faith, bcuster, denied that Thomas Aquinas had said this. These grunting, gurning parodies of sentient humans don't even know the horseshit they pretend to believe.
 
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