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Is Class Struggle the Motor of History?

If you've got any articles/references I'd be interested in reading them.

In fact if you could recommend a good general history of China that would be great - I'm really ignorant on this.
Pomeranz's book was the classic on industrialisation: The Great Divergence
Quick search found this chapter which seems like a good summary and mentions a book on India I'd not heard of: https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/students/modules/hi997/2018-week3/chapter_1.pdf
Author doesn't make much of this bit but read another way suggests advanced proletarianisation in England:
Divergence seems to have come earlier to unskilled wages, both urban and rural, than to living standards. Though the data are poor, especially on the Chinese side, they indicate that by the mid-eighteenth century – when other indicators still suggest close comparability between Jiangnan and advanced regions of Europe – Delta wages had already fallen far behind, resembling those of Milan or even Warsaw more than those of London.19
At first these two points seem irreconcilable; but a gap in real wages can be quite consistent with comparable living standards. Wage labourers were probably under 10 per cent of rural adults even in the highly commercialized Lower Yangzi, where one might expect widespread landlessness. By contrast, nearly half of the working population in England and Holland in c. 1700 probably relied on wage earning.20 Because most tenants in the Delta had strong usufruct rights, they earned much more than unskilled labourers – roughly three times as much, according to the best estimates Pomeranz can put together (smallholders would have netted almost five times what a labourer earned).21
Thus, a comparison of unskilled real wages is a comparison of the bottom of the income scale in Jiangnan with something close to the middle in Northwest Europe, reconciling significant wage differences with comparable average living standards.
 
it's a motor, maybe the biggest, but not the only.
others have given their suggestions above, i'd add the fact of the individual psychology.
yes i'm aware that there's an interplay between the structure and the individual. this book articulated better than i could, though i'd come down more on the nature side than she does, but it was still a good retort to the rightwingers of the time:
 
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it's a motor, maybe the biggest, but not the only.
others have given their suggestions above, i'd add the fact of the individual psychology.
yes i'm aware that there's an interplay between the structure and the individual. this book articulated better than i could, though i'd come down more on the nature side than she does, but it was still a good retort to the rightwingers of the time:

She's a philosopher of science isn't she?
 
What do you mean by class difference? That term sounds as though you're talking about stratification rather than relationship to resources, or that which produces surplus, means of production etc.
A utopian society where class struggle no longer exists
History would not stop being made
 
If there was a hypothetical society with no class difference would history stop being made?

Depends if one has a teleological view of history and what one perceives as the highest level of human society. Hegel saw the German based Protestant world as the end of history, and Fukuyama saw liberal democracy as the end of history. I am not sure who saw society with no class difference as the end of history however Marx saw world communism as the end of history.
 
If there was a hypothetical society with no class difference would history stop being made?
This qualification in the sentence; "all hitherto existing society" implies not. I interpret that as the manifesto promising a new and different historical development post communism.
 
Depends if one has a teleological view of history and what one perceives as the highest level of human society. Hegel saw the German based Protestant world as the end of history, and Fukuyama saw liberal democracy as the end of history. I am not sure who saw society with no class difference as the end of history however Marx saw world communism as the end of history.
There's no such thing as the end of history, it's a ridiculous thing to say, whoever said it.
 
What is history? It is not simply a series of events.

To take a banal example: the history of Association Football.

That team X won the FA cup in 1958 is not history. It changed nothing about football. If team Y won rather than team X, the game would have developed in the same way.

On the other hand, the removal of the maximum wage limit in 1961 had a profound effect on football. That could be counted as part of the history of football.​

Incidentally, the Football Association abolished the cap on the wages of players in response to a threat of strike action.
 
This qualification in the sentence; "all hitherto existing society" implies not. I interpret that as the manifesto promising a new and different historical development post communism.
Also, there is a note, added later, that states that "all history" should be taken to mean all "written history", as prehistoric human society was classless.
 
This qualification in the sentence; "all hitherto existing society" implies not. I interpret that as the manifesto promising a new and different historical development post communism.
Even hitherto....if an earthquake comes along or iron replaces bronze, these are other engines. Philosophical ideas too.

Class struggle is a/the major driver, but I dont see what is to be gained by trying to simplify the human social experience to one thing. Same goes with one word political ideologies being the one single answer
Also, there is a note, added later, that states that "all history" should be taken to mean all "written history", as prehistoric human society was classless.
It wasn't though
 
Even hitherto....if an earthquake comes along or iron replaces bronze, these are other engines. Philosophical ideas too.

Class struggle is a/the major driver, but I dont see what is to be gained by trying to simplify the human social experience to one thing. Same goes with one word political ideologies being the one single answer

It wasn't though
Well, Engels is referring to the what is termed "primitive communism". His note therefore suggests that most of human history was not a history of class struggle. Therefore you can have history without class struggle. So, modern communism would still have history.
 
I can see what you're saying about longer timescales offering the epochal parameters within which what is regarded as human history would sit, but any analysis that is environmentally deterministic inevitably has limitations. Environmental determinism has a pretty checkered and dubious pedigree and certainly offers nothing to undermine the notion that “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles”.

But that's part of what I'm trying to get at, an environmental analysis shouldn't undermine a class analysis, given that they are trying to explain the same phenomena. Likewise accepting the existence of class conflict does not obviate the impact of the environment on historical events. A given famine might be deliberately engineered as part of class conflict, or it might be the kind of calamity that neither side kicked off but which both end up dealing with. I guess my point is that a comprehensive and materialist examination of history should be multi-factorial, right?

I look at history as it's available to me, and the whole thing seems way too messy and complicated - in the eyes of this layman at least - for anything like "determinism" (environmental or otherwise) to be sensibly applicable. The power of class analysis lies in the fact that social stratification is extremely common with the types of society that have come to characterise the majority of the human population in the last few thousand years. But I think the climate crisis demonstrates that while many societies may talk and act as if they're totally divorced from the natural environment, the consequences show that nature is still very much a part of the background.

There's no such thing as the end of history, it's a ridiculous thing to say, whoever said it.

I suppose history might end when there are no societies left to create it?
 
Philosophical ideas too.
Thinking about this, isn't one take on the "axial age" that it was a flowering of philosophy due to the changes in the way we lived as urbanisation advanced and societies became more complex. So the search for answers probably had a material and thus partly class basis, though do agree that the specifics of what different philosophies (more pacifist or more eager to convert etc) prevailed in different times and places would have different impacts in a dialectical way.
 
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Thinking about this, isn't one take on the "axial age" that it was a flowering of philosophy due to the changes in the way we lived as urbanisation advanced and societies became more complex. So the search for answers probably had a material and thus partly class basis, though do agree that the specifics of what different philosophies (more pacifist or more eager to convert etc) prevailed in different times and places would have different impacts in a dialectical way.
I am scepitcal of "dialectics".
 
Thinking about this, isn't one take on the "axial age" that it was a flowering of philosophy due to the changes in the way we lived as urbanisation advanced and societies became more complex. So the search for answers probably had a material and thus partly class basis, though do agree that the specifics of what different philosophies (more pacifist or more eager to convert etc) prevailed in different times and places would have different impacts in a dialectical way.
I'll reference Wood again, her final two books specifically show the connection between class struggles and political philosophies that were developed (sadly only up until the Renaissance, as she was unable to complete the final part before her death).
To expand on the quote I gave on the previous page, it was a specific development of producers and appropriators that developed in Ancient Greece that in turn led to developed the political idea of the city state and citizen.
 
What of the current civil war in Sudan?
Is that driven by class?
Sudan documentary implores world to remember how a hopeful revolution became a forgotten war
December 6, 2024
MARRAKECH, Morocco (AP) — In the early days of Sudan’s 2019 revolution, Shajane Suliman brought sandwiches, coffee and mint tea to demonstrations in closed-off sections of Khartoum. But as hope made way for despair, she decided more than food was needed to nourish the movement.

Public outcry had sprung up against Sudan’s longtime military dictator and his mismanagement of the country’s economy. Throughout months of demonstrations, hundreds were killed or injured by security forces suppressing protests.
 
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