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PTK said:
Hold the Front Page! Man who believes one unsubstantiated claim believes another unsubstantiated claim. If Calvin believed it, it must be true.
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If Calvin believed it, it must be true.

To most English protestants, yes;

 
bcuster said:
If Calvin believed it, it must be true.

To most English protestants, yes;

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Would it actully make any difference to you, or any other person, if it could be proved to your satisifaction that this doctrine was untrue?
 
bcuster said:
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How to Explain the Perpetual Virginity of Mary

Jason Evert answers the most common objections to the Catholic teaching on the Perpetual Virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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I think it's natural to assume that "James the brother of Jesus" was simply the brother of Jesus. I didn't realise Catholics taught otherwise to be honest. I don't think this at all relevant to Ehrman's arguments which you can take or leave.
 
Knotted said:
I think it's natural to assume that "James the brother of Jesus" was simply the brother of Jesus. I didn't realise Catholics taught otherwise to be honest. I don't think this at all relevant to Ehrman's arguments which you can take or leave.
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It's always amusing to see religious people tie themselves in knots trying to make sense of nonsense.
 
Knotted said:
I think it's natural to assume that "James the brother of Jesus" was simply the brother of Jesus. I didn't realise Catholics taught otherwise to be honest. I don't think this at all relevant to Ehrman's arguments which you can take or leave.
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Perhaps James was a half brother of Jesus from Joseph. Not a full sibling...
 
So Joseph slept around? Can't blame him, really, if his wife kept coming up with idiosyncratic excuses for not being interested in sex. And saying you've just given birth to a god is about as idiosyncratic as it gets.
 
ouirdeaux said:
So Joseph slept around? Can't blame him, really, if his wife kept coming up with idiosyncratic excuses for not being interested in sex. And saying you've just given birth to a god is about as idiosyncratic as it gets.
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Rather than this cynical (crass?) explanation, I'd offer that St Joseph was most likely a widower...
 
Hey, anything's possible, given the absence of evidence. You could argue, and it would have as much likelihood of being true, that the people referred to as Jesus' siblings were aliens who fell to earth, and were taken in by kindhearted Mary, who pretended that they were her own for humanitarian reasons.
 
ouirdeaux said:
Hey, anything's possible, given the absence of evidence. You could argue, and it would have as much likelihood of being true, that the people referred to as Jesus' siblings were aliens who fell to earth, and were taken in by kindhearted Mary, who pretended that they were her own for humanitarian reasons.
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I could accept that explanation.
What I can't do is accept that James (or anybody else) was Jesus' full sibling..
 
You're entitled to believe what you want to believe, obviously. Catholics don't generally care very much about evidence as such, just tradition. And there's no reason, really, to consider the Bible as reliable evidence in any case, from the point of view of secular scholarship.
 
ouirdeaux said:
You're entitled to believe what you want to believe, obviously. Catholics don't generally care very much about evidence as such, just tradition. And there's no reason, really, to consider the Bible as reliable evidence in any case, from the point of view of secular scholarship.
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Thank you for that. What do you think of this?

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Incredible: The Beautiful Musical Melody Hidden Within Our Lady of Guadalupe's Image

Did you know you can find music in Our Lady of Guadalupe’s mantle?
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in Nahuatl, the native Aztec language:


 
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All phrases when set into a loop become interpreted by the brain as music.

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The Mysterious Effects of Repetition on Music Perception

What differentiates speech from song? Repetition is a key part of the answer.
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In 2008, Diana Deutsch of UC San Diego discovered that simply repeating a spoken phrase can lead to a perceptual transformation of the phrase from speech-like to song-like. In her most famous example, a looping sound clip of her saying “sometimes behave so strangely” initially sounds normal, as if it is being spoken in the context of a regular sentence. However, by the third, fourth, or fifth repetition, one starts hearing it differently, as if it is a melody, part of a song. The very same pitch contour that is initially interpreted as prosodic and contributing to the meaning of the phrase is gradually perceived more and more as musical. In Deutsch's study, participants rated the phrase as mostly speech-like after one repetition, but mostly song-like after the tenth repetition.
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This also applies to anything that you can map into a mathematical pattern, which includes any image. The brain is set up to identify patterns and to identify music in those patterns.
 
bcuster said:
Rather than this cynical (crass?) explanation, I'd offer that St Joseph was most likely a widower...
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It's perfectly possible that James was Jesus's half-brother and that Joseph was a widower of course and you can believe all that. But is there any particular evidence for it?
 
Knotted said:
It's perfectly possible that James was Jesus's half-brother and that Joseph was a widower of course and you can believe all that. But is there any particular evidence for it?
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I think the question has been asked and answered
 
two sheds said:
As someone pointed out God does seem to be losing power: in the beginning creating the universe, later flooding the world and parting the Red Sea, then converting water into wine but now relegated to appearing in slices of toast :(
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It was a pretty big deal in evangelising the Americas nevertheless. That is, it's from the 16th century and 'Our Lady of Guadelupe' is the patron saint of the whole Americas for Catholics. Of which there are loads there.

It's quite prominent rather than a piece of toast or whatever.
 
Humberto said:
It was a pretty big deal in evangelising the Americas nevertheless. That is, it's from the 16th century and 'Our Lady of Guadelupe' is the patron saint of the whole Americas for Catholics. Of which there are loads there.

It's quite prominent rather than a piece of toast or whatever.
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Our Blessed Mother Mary replaced European Catholics lost to Luther’s schism with new American Catholics
 
I think all those are Mary and Jesus was depicted as a small adult because they were squeamish about the idea he would ahem shit himself like a standard baby.
 

St. Jerome—Against Helvidius: On the Perpetual Virginity of Mary​



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