The Virgin Mary
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Midichlorians
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
You'd all be cannibalistic vampires wanking off into seaweed, wearing matted hair, naked banging shells into the rocks trying to eat a raw whelk. Bearded toothless fools getting hunted by packs of badgers if it hadn't been for the civilising influence of the Saints, and you shall return to the place from whence you came.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Biden-lovin’ libtards everywhere!
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
How's tricks?
That sounds fun! Where can I sign up?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Fine aside from these Biden lovin’ libtards everywhere.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
It's the kool-aid sheeple to the rescue.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Because the Virgin Mary is a completely fictitious character. If Jesus existed he certainly had a Mum, but we know absolutely nothing about her.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Mary was the most important Mum in history, which is why she is known as the Maximum.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
Seems an odd angle for thousands of people to face persecution and death, ostracisation by the Israelite state and Roman governership for something they knew to be bollocks. Written down within decades of the goings on.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Sounds like quite a few religion based acts of violence over the years.
Overall, am pretty sure that Joshua existed, as did his ma. But the divine stuff is nonsense, as is the virgin birth.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
You say it's 'nonsense', and that's fair enough. But it's no more valid than me saying it's not nonsense. You will say claims need proof. But these hundreds of millions of christians aren't goofs. You rather gloss over my post that you quoted within a supportive environment. Great.
PTK
Paul Kegan
The doctrine of Mary being an eternal Virgin was not a belief at the time that she lived, or even shortly after. It came in generations later.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
It's really quite simple, it looks very likely that there was an historical Jesus (Joshua) but there's fuck all evidence that he did magic stuff, raised zombies or was part of a divine set up.
Have no problem with him, seemed like a passionate human being, the original SJW and a role model.
But the fairytale elements? Nope.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
It's really quite simple that you are wound up and hobbyhorsing. And er not really saying much.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
If I was really wound up, I'd be asking why this god person has taken away so many family and friends and I'd want to track down the fucker and make them answer for their cruelty and crimes.
But that would be pointless, as there is no god. Which is always worth repeating. If you don't like it, turn the other cheek.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
You are asking me to turn the other cheek?
So you are intending to hit me in the face?
I don't need to turn the other cheek as I don't think that is what has happened here.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
When somebody makes extraordinary claims they need to back those claims up with extraordinary evidence. If they want to be taken seriously. If there is no evidence then applying normal logic and common sense wins out every time.
I can well believe that a bunch of superstitious Bronze Age peasants were completely convinced that their shaman had performed miracles and wanted to tell the world about it. That doesn’t mean I’m willing to take their word, separated by 2000 years, for granted as the literal truth, however.
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
Well, it should win out. But the world is evidence that it doesn't. Look at the quality of argument our believer brings to the table. 'People were persecuted for believing this, why would they die for a lie, maybe they witnessed it.' As if there were any witnesses, or could be, to a virgin birth. A child could take this nonsense apart.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Good point. Let's ask the Christ child, through the medium of the Holy Church, of course.
Combustible
Well-Known Member
According to the Muggletonians heaven is 6 miles above the Earth, so there is, but not enough for humans to survive.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Interesting, a mirror image of a few people I know who were raised catholic but at some point, adopted judaism as their faith. IMO God being One, Eternal and Indivisible is an attraction of both judaism and islam over the god-split-in-three, for someone god-oriented.
Jewish professor turned atheist, until Mary intervened
Roy Schoeman was a good Jew. In fact, he excelled in his faith. Born outside of New York City to conservative Jewish parents who were Holocaust refuges, he was given every possible opportunity to...bccatholic.ca
The character of Jesus in the gospels says nothing that any pious, real-life rabbi wouldn't say, now or then: blessed are the poor, the peacemakers, those who love God and whoever treats their neighbour as kindly and lovingly as they wish for themselves. Rabbi Hillel the Elder (one of several candidates for 'the real jesus') famously quipped to someone who asked him what jews believe, "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary; go and learn."
So all 'Jesus' said was normal Jewish stuff. What that got turned into (and how) as kabbes says, is far more important and interesting.
As far as I can tell, it wasn't the choice of God that made the original jews' beliefs different, it was that they were the first people (that we know of) to make their God "One", all-encompassing, eternal and indivisible. Rather than a human-type creature with other companions, a husband or wife, children etc. Not a pantheon or even a pair, but One. This was novel, at the time, and in a world of "many gods" must have possessed extraordinary power in the mind of a believer.Incidentally, the original Jehovah was indeed a lesser God, part of a larger pantheon in the original mythology of the Bronze Age people that worshipped him. He was like Thor or Poseidon or Hermes — the child of the chief God (whose name was El, from whom we get the name “Israel”). That’s why the 10 commandments start off with the importance of not taking other Gods above this God. Jehovah’s followers just managed to win the wars of conquest over the followers of the other Gods and, combined with the PR genius of those commandments, the result was that the other Gods got put to one side.
El (deity) - Wikipedia
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You know God was invented before Jesus or any of the Saints, right? The ethical and lifestyle rules of the Torah were rules 'jesus' will have lived by, and preached?
There was also Atenism in ancient Egypt under the pharaoh Akhenaten, which was a step towards monotheism.
Interestingly, there is evidence of possibly Israelite names among the high ranking officials at that time in Egypt, which may be reflected in the story of Joseph (he of the technicolour dreamcoat).
