The UK/EU Fishing Dispute 2020-2022
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SheilaNaGig
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I remember cafes and restaurants and anywhere that provided cooked food would have a fish dish on Friday.
I think maybe I knew this because my parents were immigrants and they probably remarked on it to the extent that I must have picked it up as a notable fact myself.
I think maybe I knew this because my parents were immigrants and they probably remarked on it to the extent that I must have picked it up as a notable fact myself.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Cid
Proper break this time
Honestly dunno. I'm going to guess High Church continuity.
Raheem
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If we are going to get the whole of our fishing grounds back and not be able to sell catches to the EU we are going to need to eat fish a lot more than just on Fridays
We could have two Fridays and get rid of Thursdays. Thursday has lost its meaning anyway since they moved Top of the Pops to Friday.
pogofish
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It is also the case that many UK boats have put themselves out of commission by selling their quotas o EU operators.
Then there are the owners who have for years now used agents to manage their business affairs on the other side of the North Sea, so beyond vessel registration, barely even register as UK boats.
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pogofish
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And lot of that fish goes straight to Europe - either straight from the market or after processing and for a long time, the processing industry and haulage in North East Scotland has been at least as big, if not bigger than the fishing itself.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
My last two workplace cafes have always served fish and chips on Friday
pogofish
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Quite a lot of those Spanish boats - some 50-odd (or @15% of the English fleet and 10% of the Scottish) who regularly fish the North Sea are co-owned by UK interests, so legitimately classed as part of our Pelagic fleet.
Back when we had them, RAF Shackletons and Nimrods did fisheries patrols as part of their routine training. There are a few smaller aircraft currently operated by the Marine and Coastguard Agency and I don't doubt that the new Poseidons will be doing the same once fully operational if we don't have any ongoing wars to occupy them.
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pogofish
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The thing is the way some of them see it is that smaller is good, for everyone - Pay/bonus levels in the Pelagic Fleet have never been higher and around a hundred thousand is now normal for even the most junior hands with the right tickets - anyone with experience/seniority will be taking-in much more. Colleges up here are struggling to turn-out enough qualified hands but the industry wants to keep it in the "family", so try getting a place on a course without sponsorship.
In some ways it is now the exact opposite of the situation in the 1970s/80s and even 1990s where fishermen deserted the industry in droves for better pay and conditions in oil - as oil has spent the last twenty-plus years pushing pay levels and conditions right back down, whilst fishing has been racing ahead.
Most of the stories you hear about "poor, hard-done-by fishermen, struggling to scrape a living" involve smaller/inshore boats, which will be far less affected by EU/UK disputes.
Foreign crew, usually recruited through agents (so brexit will be unlikely to matter) get paid a lot less. I've also heard that crew pay on EU boats is generally lower - but I've no idea if that is really the case?
Similarly in processing, overseas staff (again nearly always recruited on the agency/gang system) get paid a lot less than local staff and only a very few get the respect/promotion to join the locals as chargehands or better positions.
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pogofish
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"A painstaking five-month long investigation shows that a small group of (Tory) wealthy families control huge swathes of the country’s fishing quota"
Revealed: the millionaires hoarding UK fishing rights
A painstaking five-month long investigation shows that a small group of wealthy families control huge swathes of the country’s fishing quotaunearthed.greenpeace.org
When we got together, my ex (from a longstanding fisher family herself) regularly worked for two of those families - She was one of the relatively few female chargehands in the NE Scotland industry and one of the unusually small number of women who would get work overseeing dock operations and the like.
The hours/work/conditions were long/backbreaking/shit - often running into days/weeks at a time and sleeping in a portacabin at the end of the pier between shifts if there was a major contract to be filled and there were periods of unemployment/inactivity (when she would go back into the processing plants as she held tickets for all the main machine types) but so long as the right blind-eyes were turned and questions left unasked, the money could be phenomenal - and the perks, which included holidays to the Carribean, with spending money were great.
The reason she quit that work for good and moved to the city to work in catering/hospitality was that she felt it was destroying her physical and mental health and it couldn't be much longer in that environment till she ended-up a burned-out alcoholic.
Her ex, who had to quit the boats after losing his hand and half his arm in a machine accident stayed in the fisher community and used his savings/pay-off money to set-up a little business which has since thrived - entirely because fishers don't really trust/like to deal with anyone who is not one of their own.
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As gosub says, it was reintroduced by law in 1563. The thinking was that eating more fish would encourage the fishing industry and develop a reserve of skilled men who could be co-opted into the navy.
Live and learn, thanks both.
If we are going to get the whole of our fishing grounds back and not be able to sell catches to the EU we are going to need to eat fish a lot more than just on Fridays
'We' (whoever that is supposed to mean) are also going to have to get used to eating different species, and that is not something the 'Great British Consumer' has ever been very willing to do.
not-bono-ever
meh
Yeps, fish in a Friday was an early political move to subsidise industry and create jobs. Not really Jesus at all. Sure it would be illegal under EU anti comp refs now
not-bono-ever
meh
Salt cod economics
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Friday fast - Wikipedia
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It used to be so widespread that even my C of E school served fish for school dinner every Friday.
the one I work at still does. I think it’s one of those traditions that goes beyond religion, thought everyone would know of it. Plus ties in with going to the chippy for an end-of-week treat.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Think most canteens do it, I can think of a couple
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Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Every Friday at my college is Fishy Friday
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
BB2’s secular junior school does fish and chips on Fridays. Have a look at your local chippie of a Friday evening, always much busier than other days of the week.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Yeah but that's also just because getting a meal out is more likely on a weekend than mid week.
Well that escalated quickly
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splonkydoo
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Sunshine in the air!
Come on! Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na
Everybody! Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na
Come on!
Together!
Yeah! Yeah!
How much is the fish?
How much is the fish?
Yeah!
Come on, come on
Argh!
Resurrection!
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Well that escalated quickly
France's Covid freight ban 'will have devastating effect' on UK supplies
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Pratchett's description of what it takes to feed Ankh-Morpork in Night Watch is a great way to make logistics understandable. Can't find it sadly.
Cart after cart stretching back for weeks in the distance... Each a drop in feeding the hungry mouths of the city.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Piscine, you absolute hash brown-munching troglodyte.
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