The UK/EU Fishing Dispute 2020-2022

[MickiQ]

"French fishermen have warned the United Kingdom that they will halt marine traffic from the United Kingdom inbound to France via the English Channel by denying access to the port of Calais if they are not permitted to fish in U.K. waters following a no-deal Brexit......Such a move would create chaos for all goods passing between Calais and Dover, one of the busiest shipping routes in the world."

Well that will be fun won't it? I can imagine Tory MP's shouting and waving their order papers about in the HoC demanding the French do something about and the Macron just making with the old Gallic shrug.

 

[Struwwelpeter]

England's death throes. That might be a good thing for everyone else.

 

[Manter]

Just about the main employer in many small fishing villages/towns.

No it isn’t. It’s an industry that places have a romantic attachment to. UK fishing industry, or Brexit's red herrings | DW | 27.11.2019

 

[weltweit]

England's death throes. That might be a good thing for everyone else.

If you look at countries that have led great empires, the path since peak influence is usually down, the downward trend continues - well I am not sure how long it continues?

The Mayans, gone. The Great Mongol empire, modern Mongolia. The Roman Empire, modern Italy. The British Empire when the world was pink, now just the British Isles and commonwealth. Are we still on the way down or have we found our level yet?

 

[weltweit]

No it isn’t. It’s an industry that places have a romantic attachment to. UK fishing industry, or Brexit's red herrings | DW | 27.11.2019

good article

 

[gosub]

Did we ever get around to buying planes for our aircraft carrier, or is it still just an expensive runway?

Some. But also can up with a cunning plan

 

[not-bono-ever]

If you look at countries that have led great empires, the path since peak influence is usually down, the downward trend continues - well I am not sure how long it continues?

The Mayans, gone. The Great Mongol empire, modern Mongolia. The Roman Empire, modern Italy. The British Empire when the world was pink, now just the British Isles and commonwealth. Are we still on the way down or have we found our level yet?

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Think Jared diamond has some stuff on this in his buke Collapse , off the top of my head

 

[likesfish]

Tbf we have at least one sqd of f35 and she'd loads of Apaches we can put on them even some sea harriers which are used as taxi practice could be made airworthy ( FAA pulled a fast one).
Brexit gas descended into farce.

 

[The39thStep]

What ever happened to the scallop war?

French navy 'ready to intervene' in scallop row – DW – 09/04/2018

France says it's prepared to deploy its navy to prevent confrontations with British fishermen over access to scallop-rich seabeds. The "Scallop Wars" have led to rival boats charging at each other in open waters.

www.dw.com

 

[Pickman's model]

This will be the fishing dispute of 2020-2020 as the UK is forced into a humiliating retreat

 

[not-bono-ever]

As I understand it there is no escape from these massive supertrawlers, they are faster than the fish, can track shoals and their yuge nets collect everything from the sea bed.

they trash everything and even the fish that are too small and thrown back are often killed cos of swim baller rupture( depending on depth obvs) .utterly appalling practice

 

[alex_]

Well that will be fun won't it? I can imagine Tory MP's shouting and waving their order papers about in the HoC demanding the French do something about and the Macron just making with the old Gallic shrug.

macron “oui, Brexit signifie brexit”

 

[weepiper]

Peterhead lands 34% of all UK fish by itself.

 

[Roadkill]

Tbh the exact machinations of this dispute aren't very interesting. Ultimately it'll end up in scientists arguing about TACS and quotas, politicians ignoring them and fishermen grumbling about politicians, and the only real difference will be that it takes place partly outside the context of the CFP. Although there might be a bit of bumping and bashing between British and continental fishing boats along the way.

Of more significance is the fact that in 1973 Britain joined the EEC in the Heath government's belief that it was the right thing for the country, though they were well aware the fishing industry would not benefit from it. In 1975 the Wilson government sacrificed the distant-water fleet to protect the NATO airbase at Keflavik. In 2020 the Johnson government could potentially throw the car industry, the City of London and most of the services sector under a bus so that British fishermen can take a few thousand tons more fish out of the English Channel, at a time when the entire fishing industry - from ship to shop - employs fewer people than one large retail chain. Explain that...

 

[Winot]

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Think Jared diamond has some stuff on this in his buke Collapse , off the top of my head

Also Paul Kennedy - Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.

 

[weltweit]

Also Paul Kennedy - Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.

I think that has been recommended to me before.

 

[Badgers]

French company wins licence to monitor British fishing boats

Brexiteers have long hailed the “sea of opportunity” that awaits British fishermen and women after the UK leaves the EU — but now it has emerged that their boats will be monitored by a French company. The business that won the tender to track UK fishing vessels wherever they operate, as well as fore

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[stavros]

Britain's new diplomats on the fishing industry enter the fray:

 

[gentlegreen]

So it's kipper and chips instead of cod now ?

 

[steeplejack]

Peterhead lands 34% of all UK fish by itself.

Fraserburgh one of the largest shellfish /whitefish ports in Europe.

Still, you'll be able to buy a nice commemorative mug and a teatowel in ten years time when it is all gone. What a mess.

 

[gentlegreen]

Just had this advert pop up - I had to look twice at it ...





I reckon when we can't sell all the herring, Friday will be made officially fish day ...

 

[not-bono-ever]

them bream are live stockfish

 

[Raheem]

"I have a bream..."

 

[Cid]

Just had this advert pop up - I had to look twice at it ...

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I reckon when we can't sell all the herring, Friday will be made officially fish day ...

That would be a bit er... Catholic.

 

[gentlegreen]

That would be a bit er... Catholic.

I was pondering that ... and of course it was only monasteries that could afford the luxury of holding ponds ...

Urban river chub for the plebs ...

 

[weltweit]

That would be a bit er... Catholic.

What is that about? I never heard that reference before.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Never heard of fish on Friday weltweit ?!

 

[weltweit]

Never heard of fish on Friday weltweit ?!

Nope .. I must have missed the message

 

[Cid]

What is that about? I never heard that reference before.

Catholic tradition of penance on a Friday, only supposed to eat fish. Actually I think Anglicanism carried it on, but half-arsedly... Just one of those bits of knowledge. You could eat puffins though. And bits of beaver. Presumably also dolphins and the like, since they'd be considered fish. By 'you' I mean bishops and lords obviously.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Friday fast - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It used to be so widespread that even my C of E school served fish for school dinner every Friday.