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He's just made an essentially arbitrary list of countries and banned people from those countries from entering the US. I'm not quite sure what an overreaction to such a move looks like, tbh. I do know what an attempt to normalise it looks like. It looks like Theresa May.

No, it was Obama who made the list . Stop letting that murdering fuck off the hook .
 
Point I've been pondering... some quarters of the media are murmuring that liberals are going over the top in calling Trump and co fascists and it's all self-righteous frothing and of course he's not Hitler. To me it seems better to be OTT critical than to normalise any of this, and I can't see a risk of something unintended consequence as a result of 'overreacting' to every shitty move this administration makes. Lots of people laughed at Hitler and probably thought he didn't mean everything he said; we often forget that Yugoslavia was a country trundling along in a very civilised fashion before groups of its citizen started killing one another, but still we think 'It can't happen there/here'

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And yet you didn't react badly at all to an actual genocidal leader who's attacked other countries with no justification..the crime of aggression..and who'd very much like to have a war with Russia while dominating the planet in the belief of her country's exceptional ism and manifest destiny . Like Hitler did .
you're happy to normalise all that while grossly exaggerating this shitshow . probably in the hope that insane war criminal manages to get in somehow.
 
He won't be a straightforward Trump stooge. He will oppose attempts to ground interpretation of the constitution in today's world - that could work both ways, I guess.

In addition to originalism, his is also a textualist. His idea of what the law should be:



I guess a lot of lawyers think like this - that we should serve the law, rather than the law serving us. Judgements shorn of compassion. Someone who'd send a good person to prison for the rest of their life if he felt the law told him to, and would sleep soundly that same night.
Sounds a right old judge Jeffrey's, they broke the law, hang em. Probably dribbling while awaiting the rapture.
 
And yet you didn't react badly at all to an actual genocidal leader who's attacked other countries with no justification..the crime of aggression..and who'd very much like to have a war with Russia while dominating the planet in the belief of her country's exceptional ism and manifest destiny . Like Hitler did .
you're happy to normalise all that while grossly exaggerating this shitshow . probably in the hope that insane war criminal manages to get in somehow.

In the name of Christendom / Civilising Mission / white mans burden / Supremacism Exceptionalism, and the Furher of the Frei Welt.
 

Had a gander in the hope he's now deceased, no such luck but.

Akin's Congressional career ended after he lost a bid to unseat DemocraticU.S. Senator Claire McCaskill in the 2012 election. Akin, who had won the Republican primary in a crowded field, led McCaskill in pre-election polls until he said that women who are victims of what he called "legitimate rape" rarely get pregnant. Akin eventually apologized for the remark but rebuffed calls to withdraw from the election.[1] He lost to McCaskill by 54.7 percent to 39.2 percent.[2] In a book published in July 2014, Akin said that he regretted apologizing and defended his original comments.

Utter total bastard.
 
In a 'humiliating' and 'threatening' tone, Trump lambasted Mexico's president during a phone call

During a phone call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto on Friday, US President Donald Trump disparaged Mexico and threatened to use military force against the drug trade, according to Dolia Estevez, a journalist based in Washington, DC.

In an interview with the Mexican news outlet Aristegui Noticias, Estevez, who cited sources on both sides of the call, said, "It was a very offensive conversation where Trump humiliated Peña Nieto."

He's desperate to start a war, anywhere, just a war. :mad:

Whey, they do have a history of winning wars against Mexico, they pinched a YUGGGGE tract of Mexico during the last one.
Mebbes the arseholes next EXO will be "manifest destiny 2":D
 
Point I've been pondering... some quarters of the media are murmuring that liberals are going over the top in calling Trump and co fascists and it's all self-righteous frothing and of course he's not Hitler. To me it seems better to be OTT critical than to normalise any of this, and I can't see a risk of something unintended consequence as a result of 'overreacting' to every shitty move this administration makes. Lots of people laughed at Hitler and probably thought he didn't mean everything he said; we often forget that Yugoslavia was a country trundling along in a very civilised fashion before groups of its citizen started killing one another, but still we think 'It can't happen there/here'

Also interested in the role of social media and interwebs - while it does make it easier to spread 'fake news', it also means a sphere of dissent that cannot be shut down no matter what he tries with the mainstream media. But very much a double-edged sword.

Aye the "double edged sword" is a cause for concern, ATM it's being wielded without thought by the Orange arsehole, while the opposition try to maintain a modicum of restraint, decency and truthfulness.
Time the opposition gets with the programme and rips the Orange arsehole and associates a whole new orifice.
Restraint and decency are portrayed ( successfully) as the losers in the current US political landscape.
 
No, it was Obama who made the list . Stop letting that murdering fuck off the hook .
You might not have noticed, but try having a look at the thread title? There's another you might like better, Obamas legacy?
Or you could start one of your own, perhaps "Hillary, lock the bitch up" ?
But FFS, take your anti Dem/Clinton obsession to some dark corner, people might even visit:D
 
And yet you didn't react badly at all to an actual genocidal leader who's attacked other countries with no justification..the crime of aggression..and who'd very much like to have a war with Russia while dominating the planet in the belief of her country's exceptional ism and manifest destiny . Like Hitler did .
you're happy to normalise all that while grossly exaggerating this shitshow . probably in the hope that insane war criminal manages to get in somehow.
Who is the 'you' this is addressed to? More like 'at' really. You're not really talking 'to' anybody.
 
And yet you didn't react badly at all to an actual genocidal leader who's attacked other countries with no justification..the crime of aggression..and who'd very much like to have a war with Russia while dominating the planet in the belief of her country's exceptional ism and manifest destiny . Like Hitler did .
you're happy to normalise all that while grossly exaggerating this shitshow . probably in the hope that insane war criminal manages to get in somehow.

"while grossly exaggerating this shitshow"
Define "exaggeration"in your own unique way:D
 
Summary of today . . .

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A scathing critique of the Trump presidency so far from the FT, an excerpt:

Mr Trump ordered that the border wall proceed, insisting again that it would be paid for by Mexico, in the days before Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto was due for a summit in Washington. Mr Peña Nieto, offered humiliation, cancelled instead. The administration responded with a proposal of a 20 per cent border tax, before backtracking equivocally. The president styles himself as a master dealmaker. Perhaps there is negotiating wizardry concealed beneath this apparent shambles. A more plausible interpretation is that the president is not seeking a deal, does not care about Mexico, and thinks the US can do without its friendship.
 
Sounds a right old judge Jeffrey's, they broke the law, hang em. Probably dribbling while awaiting the rapture.
He's pretty young as well. He could be there for 30 years. The next one to pop their clogs will be more trouble. This appointment will basically mean back to where they were before the old racist Scalia died.
 
He's pretty young as well. He could be there for 30 years. The next one to pop their clogs will be more trouble. This appointment will basically mean back to where they were before the old racist Scalia died.
Aye, see what you mean, there's two of them could pop their clogs afore the next presidential election.
 
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Register. 3 free articles a month, but as if by magic:

Donald Trump often says things that are not true, a pattern that has continued right into the presidency. Much has been made of this, but it should not obscure the fact that his official actions thus far have been perfectly consistent with the principles and priorities he broadcasted during the campaign.

He is what he said he was: an enemy of free trade, immigration, regulation, abortion rights; a defender of the American fossil fuel industry and the use of torture. He won an election on these foundations, and his energetic pursuit of them as president is fitting and legitimate. The idea that Mr Trump is to be taken “seriously but not literally” — now worn smooth with repetition — was a canard all along.

No laws were made in Mr Trump’s first week, of course. He signed executive orders directing that Obamacare implementation be slowed, environmental approvals for infrastructure projects be expedited, immigration law be comprehensively enforced, and the Mexican border wall built. He published memoranda making way for oil pipelines, freezing hiring in parts of the government, withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement and banning funding for global aid organisations that provide abortions.

Barack Obama, in the first week of his presidency, signed an order commanding that the Guantánamo Bay detention facility be closed. It remains operational today. Congress needs to fund and enact Mr Trump’s agenda. But the Republicans who control both houses have signalled no objections. Many if not all of these commands, and many more on similar lines, will be effected. The only area where Mr Trump’s party has shown any inclination to resist is on torture.

If the president’s policy has been surprisingly consistent, his behaviour has been predictably erratic. In his first week, Mr Trump has told and retold a dangerous falsehood that delegitimises the electoral system and could open the way to disenfranchising eligible citizens, and talked himself and the US into a desperately tense stand-off with Mexico. There is, as yet, no evidence that either of these actions resulted from planning, strategic intent, or consultation with advisers. The president is impulsive, thin-skinned, and combative. This is already affecting how the US is governed and how the world works.

Mr Trump and his press secretary got into a pointless conflict with the press over the size of the crowd at the inauguration, about which both men told easily refuted untruths. Dishonest bravado of this sort is one of Mr Trump’s trademarks, as voters well understood. The issue was trivial in any case. Alas, the president was just getting warm: on Monday Mr Trump stated, unbidden, that 3m to 5m illegal voters cost him the popular vote. Pressed on this groundless claim, he buttressed it with scraps of incoherent nonsense and cited studies showing nothing of the kind. It was a sorry display, which will not stop Republicans intent on restricting the franchise from running with it.

Mr Trump ordered that the border wall proceed, insisting again that it would be paid for by Mexico, in the days before Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto was due for a summit in Washington. Mr Peña Nieto, offered humiliation, cancelled instead. The administration responded with a proposal of a 20 per cent border tax, before backtracking equivocally. The president styles himself as a master dealmaker. Perhaps there is negotiating wizardry concealed beneath this apparent shambles. A more plausible interpretation is that the president is not seeking a deal, does not care about Mexico, and thinks the US can do without its friendship.

This newspaper believes Mr Trump’s views on both trade and immigration are comprehensively wrong-headed and will leave America and the world poorer and less safe. It is possible we will be proven wrong and Mr Trump proven right. What is beyond debate is that friends and allies — which is what the US and Mexico have been and should aspire to always be — do not subject one another to casual humiliation. This is what Mr Trump has done, for no apparent gain.

In questioning the election result and in insulting a crucial neighbour, Mr Trump has prioritised chest-beating over cultivation of the country’s best interest. Whatever you call this behaviour, it is not putting America first.
 
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