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Trump’s Border Patrol Defies Judge, U.S. Senator at Dulles Airport as His First Constitutional Crisis Unfolds
Border Patrol flouted a federal injunction against Trump's order, barring lawyers from reaching legal U.S. residents detained at Dulles airport.
As the night wore on, it became increasingly clear that CBP (Customs & Border Control) was defying Brinkema’s ruling. Lawyers concluded that that meant someone was in contempt of court. The judge could theoretically send in federal law enforcement officers to force CBP to let the lawyers meet with the detainees. But sending in the U.S. Marshals—who are part of the Department of Justice—to take on Customs and Border Patrol—which is part of the Department of Homeland Security—would have been a bureaucratic clash of the titans. And, like everything else that night, it would have been unprecedented. It didn’t happen.
It didn't happen, because Homeland Security is under Trump/Bannon administration's control. CBP refused to speak directly to the Senator who turned up to try and fix the situation.
The US system of government is fucked now, totally fucked.
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Border Patrol flouted a federal injunction against Trump's order, barring lawyers from reaching legal U.S. residents detained at Dulles airport.
As the night wore on, it became increasingly clear that CBP (Customs & Border Control) was defying Brinkema’s ruling. Lawyers concluded that that meant someone was in contempt of court. The judge could theoretically send in federal law enforcement officers to force CBP to let the lawyers meet with the detainees. But sending in the U.S. Marshals—who are part of the Department of Justice—to take on Customs and Border Patrol—which is part of the Department of Homeland Security—would have been a bureaucratic clash of the titans. And, like everything else that night, it would have been unprecedented. It didn’t happen.
It didn't happen, because Homeland Security is under Trump/Bannon administration's control. CBP refused to speak directly to the Senator who turned up to try and fix the situation.
The US system of government is fucked now, totally fucked.
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Kaka Tim
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Yeah - i think its only a matter of time before there's a violent clampdown on the protests - partly out of political calculation (bannon's angle) but also because they will be pissing trump off and he will want to lash out.
I also think that Trump/bannon will be itching to declare a state of emergency at the earliest opportunity - so provoking more shit helps this end. Trumps supporters being encouraged to take to the streets could play a significant part in this. Very worrying how easy it is to transform a liberal democracy with constitutional rights, independent judicary etc into a full blown, oppressive autocracy.
cant believe we are discussing this stuff as a real possibility. But then you read Bannon's shit and realise an out and out fascist is Trump's right hand man/organ grinder.
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Anyone planning a visit to the US in the future? Take note.
White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts
Amid the chaos and confusion of President Donald Trump's new executive order on immigration and refugees, sources tell CNN that White House policy director Stephen Miller spoke with officials of the State Department, Customs and Border Patrol, Department of Homeland Security and others to tell them that the President is deeply committed to the executive order and the public is firmly behind it -- urging them not to get distracted by what he described as hysterical voices on TV.
Miller also noted on Saturday that Trump administration officials are discussing the possibility of asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones. If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry. Sources told CNN that the idea is just in the preliminary discussion level. The social media posts calling for jihad by San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik -- made under a pseudonym and with strict privacy settings -- are part of this discussion. How such a policy would be implemented remains under discussion.
So the court ruling that the Executive Order is not legal is "hysterical voices on TV."
And please, is anyone stupid enough now to say, "Nah, this will never happen?"
White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts
Amid the chaos and confusion of President Donald Trump's new executive order on immigration and refugees, sources tell CNN that White House policy director Stephen Miller spoke with officials of the State Department, Customs and Border Patrol, Department of Homeland Security and others to tell them that the President is deeply committed to the executive order and the public is firmly behind it -- urging them not to get distracted by what he described as hysterical voices on TV.
Miller also noted on Saturday that Trump administration officials are discussing the possibility of asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones. If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry. Sources told CNN that the idea is just in the preliminary discussion level. The social media posts calling for jihad by San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik -- made under a pseudonym and with strict privacy settings -- are part of this discussion. How such a policy would be implemented remains under discussion.
So the court ruling that the Executive Order is not legal is "hysterical voices on TV."
And please, is anyone stupid enough now to say, "Nah, this will never happen?"
Lord Camomile
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I think you go the other way, really double down on pointing out to Trump that no-one thinks he's the guy in charge. He isn't running the White House, he isn't wielding the power, he's just a puppet for someone else. Set his ego up against the likes of Pence and Bannon, see how long they can control him.
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SpookyFrank
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Will it be physically possible for him to get anything done with the deep state, civil service type stuff either decimated or frozen out? You can't have a fascist regime if nobody is paying police wages or collecting the taxes to pay for them.
There are also the individual states with their own legislatures and their own resources. Some will follow the Trump line, some won't. He can executive-order away the powers of state governors but this all needs to be enforced somehow, and that requires somebody capable of actually organising.
So far we've seen shock-and-awe tactics which are a fairly simple and well established way of suppressing dissent and crippling opposition. But that in itself doesn't create order, it just makes you lord and master of an awful lot of chaos. Look at the invasion of Iraq, a leisurely stroll into Baghdad followed by an unending quagmire of violent instability which force alone cannot resolve. That's the kind of situation I'm expecting to see playing out with what is looking increasingly like an attempted fascist overthrow of American liberal democracy. Much will depend on which of the state's forces jump which way. Border control and homeland security are already siding with the executive against the judiciary. Many US police forces are already comfortable acting as paramilitary occupation forces. The forces of light so far have only a rogue faction of the park rangers to work with.
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Anyone planning a visit to the US in the future? Take note.
White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts
Amid the chaos and confusion of President Donald Trump's new executive order on immigration and refugees, sources tell CNN that White House policy director Stephen Miller spoke with officials of the State Department, Customs and Border Patrol, Department of Homeland Security and others to tell them that the President is deeply committed to the executive order and the public is firmly behind it -- urging them not to get distracted by what he described as hysterical voices on TV.
Miller also noted on Saturday that Trump administration officials are discussing the possibility of asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones. If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry. Sources told CNN that the idea is just in the preliminary discussion level. The social media posts calling for jihad by San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik -- made under a pseudonym and with strict privacy settings -- are part of this discussion. How such a policy would be implemented remains under discussion.
So the court ruling that the Executive Order is not legal is "hysterical voices on TV."
And please, is anyone stupid enough now to say, "Nah, this will never happen?"
example of why that roguePotusstaff is worth looking at: same topic addressed 5 hours earlier...
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HoratioCuthbert
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And Orkney *waves* both Stromness and Kirkwall 6.30pm this evening.
krtek a houby
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I'm pretty happy that people from differing positions are coming together to oppose this man. So not everyone is going to agree on exact points and views but surely it's something?
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Okay, civil war then.
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I wouldn't use the word "interesting" myself, but then again, I have the intention of never setting foot in the USA ever again. It's shit because that means never seeing my family, but tbf, even before this coup started to emerge, I was doubtful I'd get a visa to get back in after expatriation. Now, even if I could, I wouldn't dare risk it.Christ... Yup, I'm going to NYC on Sunday and I did momentarily wonder if the stuff I've been posting on Facebook would get me in trouble at customs, sort of a worst case scenario thing (I'm prone to thinking about those...).
Well, could get interesting
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Lord Camomile
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TheHoodedClaw
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Starry Wisdom
you missed out the fate of 9% of american presidents, assassination.
billy_bob
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Straw man argument. I didn't say that Starbucks were the 'most dangerous player': I was just speculating that a lot of people will take their announcement to be a positive act of opposition to Trump rather than the self-interested act it is. Pointing somewhere else and going 'they're worse' is no form of rebuttal to that.
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I'm sure I mentioned it before here, but I'd planned to visit in October 2000 to spend time with my widowed mother. I swore I'd not set foot there if GWB was elected president. Unfortunately, my plans were delayed and I flew in on election day. Because of all the shit with the voting count, the result wasn't declared for Bush until after I returned to the UK. That was probably all my fault!
I lived there through Nixon, Ford, Reagan and went back during Bush Senior and later Bush Junior.
This in no way compares to anything from the past. My family are genuinely scared, but then they live amongst people who post this kind of shit on social media, and mean it:
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No worries. Sometimes I get trapped between the two
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Similarly I can't believe I'm writing this, and it's of a classic conspiracy theory false flag trope, but it's certainly in the administration's interests right now to have an emergency to use. A foreign origin terrorist attack would be very useful as an 'I told you so' buttress.
I'm very much not saying someone is going to explicitly organise or even permit such a thing, but that it would be useful to recognise in advance that if anything does happen, then not only will it be ripe for exploitation, but it'll be far, far harder to counter that exploitation after the fact.
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Sadly, efforts at Impeachment will be thwarted in a GOP majority House of Representatives unless a shitload of Republican congressmen and women find their spines, and I can't see that happening. So, that leaves the other two . . .
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